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  1. Rob0729

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    I know there is no truly dominant team and the top teams have struggled the last few weeks, but even I can't agree with Peter King putting the Pats at #1 in his "Fine Fifteen" in his MMQB today. And people consider me a homer. From his MMQB:

    Read More: Rob Gronkowski, Andrew Luck, Andre Johnson, more NFL Week 11 thoughts - Peter King - SI.com

    I don't think there is any team right now that is heads and shoulders above anyone. Houston was lucky to win yesterday and probably would have lost last week if Cutler was playing. San Fran went to a tie with a bad Rams' team. Atlanta barely won yesterday and lost last week. Green Bay gutted out a win yesterday against an average Lions' team. Baltimore looks like crap in wins and would have lost if Rothlisberger played.

    The Pats have a good shot at being the #1 team at the end of the season, but I wouldn't be listing them as #1 right at the moment.
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    This guy goes from slydigging and hating us to this..... anyways though, if our offense is 90% healthy then I think the only people who can stop us is our defense.
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    I woud have agreed with him if we had Gronk...but without him i would have to see.:eek:
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    I really don't know. I thought there was a solid chance HOU and SF could be better than the Patriots, but both have looked rather mortal of late. It's really a crapshoot across the league at this point.
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    If the defense keeps playing like they did at the end of the first and most of the second half yesterday, I would whole hearedly agree with him. The offense is the offense. They can ring up points on anybody, and in a hurry. Give them the contributions like they got yesterday from the defense and special teams, and this team could be unstoppable.

    As of right now, though. I'll temper my enthusiasm. Houston is still the team to beat in the AFC, but their struggles with the Jags yesterday should not go unnoticed. The Jags exploited a lot of the same things the Packers did earlier in the season. Block J.J. Watt (easier said than done), and that secondary can get lit up.
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    ^^ This

    Houston and ATL may have torched the league out of the gate, but it seems things are coming to a slowing screech for them as of late.

    If our defense can step it up a couple of notches (or might as well play the rest of the season like they played last night), there is no reason we can't beat Houston or the Niners.... or reach the SB for that matter.
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    Maybe COLIN COWHERD hacked Kings account and posted this, as there is no way King ever writes such positive stuff about the PATS.Especially when Peyton Manning is playing in the league
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    Seems pretty reasonable to me. It's a tossup between about 5 teams IMO. You can call any of them #1. Most will go with the team with the best record as a tie breaker, King went with the team that is looking the best. Hey, he needs people to talk about him to keep the paychecks coming in, right?
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    With no clear #1 this year, I can't really bag on any rankings that have

    NE
    TEX
    SF
    GB
    ATL

    in the top five, regardless of the order. To me, that's the clear top 5 in the league, with Baltimore ensconced at 6 (that's where King goes wrong, IMO), and NO, DEN and CHi battling for the next 3 spots, now that Roethlisberger is out.


    Just my $.02
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    I'd rather be more than one game removed from that torrid Bills performance before I start thinking about the Pats being the best in the NFL. Last nights much improved defensive performance gives me some optimism, but it was just one game against a rookie QB.
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    I hope and trust

    is just a metaphor.

    And I still think I'm the one who coined the term "Gronkle".
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    King says the Pats are #1, huh?
    Then it looks like we still have a lot of work to do to catch up with the rest of the NFL pack.
    Unless this is the first time he was right.
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    Well, we play them both in a two week period on our home turf; we'll know a lot more after that, I guess, as long as no one's looked past @Jets and @Fins to get to those games, of course.
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    I think Mr. King is trying the ol' Reverse Psychology. Good one, Peter. But it's not going to work with this well mixed group of youngsters and veterans.

    I'd still put Houston at #1. The Jags are bad, but division games are always hard to figure out. If they have trouble with Detroit, then it's time for Houston to start worrying.
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    Pats were No.8 or so in his list last week. Suddenly, they rise to number 1 after a mediocre performance by the current leaders? Quite a stretch. I used to love reading his column years ago - the last two years his biases and pompousness has been rather transparent - might have to do something with his employment in NBC.
    Personally, I think Broncos are shaping up to be the best team in the NFL. Their defense has been playing exceptionally well. The remainder of their schedule is cupcake and could easily end up 13-3. If Houston, Ravens and Pats have any hiccups along the way, they could easily end up the #1 seed in the AFC. That means the road to the SB goes thru the rarified air of Mile High Stadium.
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    And we all know how well Peyton plays outside in the cold. Pretenders, IMO.
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    I wish this was true. Let's use 2007 as a launching point, because that's the year the Patriots started putting up Madden-like point totals. Here's what they averaged during 2007, 2009 (skipping 2008 for obvious reasons), 2010, and 2011:

    2007
    Regular season: 36.9
    Post season: 22.0

    2009
    Regular season: 26.7
    Post season: 14.0

    2010
    Regular season: 32.4
    Post season: 21.0

    2011
    Regular season: 32.1
    Post season:28.3

    TOTAL (2007, 2009, 2010, 2011)
    Regular season: 32.0
    Post season: 23.3

    Only 1 time in 8 post-season games from 2007-2011 did the Patriots score more than 31 points (last year vs. Denver). Only twice did they score more than 23 points (2007 vs. Jax, last year vs. Den). Three out of eight times they scored 17 or fewer points.

    In other words, as explosive as this offense has been during the past 5 years, they really have been handled by most everyone they've faced during the playoffs.

    So I'd like to think it would be different this year, and I think a good running game and perhaps a better defense (he says, hoping) would contribute to that. But the pattern is not good for this team over the past 5 years, unfortunately.
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    Still need to see this defense string together some complete performances. They've looked brilliant at times (2nd and 3rd quarter yesterday, 1st 2/5's of Bmore game until the shady refs interfered, 1st half against Denver) but fell apart and winded up with a poor or average overall performance. They DID still give up 24 yesterday. Have to see more performances like against Tennesse, St Louis, Arizona, and complete the flashes listed above, more consistently.

    As great as the offense is, they've still crapped the bed in big moments/games too. So they're going to need to defense to get off the field and force turnovers, which are two things they did do yesterday. Just gotta limit those points now. Until our defense can take it to that next level, I have great doubt in our ability to win a title. Houston is #1 until proven otherwise, they're 9-1 and they've earned it.
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    Can you please explain why you are still so unsold on Denver? They are 3rd in the league on offense, 6th on defense, Peyton is playing at an MVP level, and they have a cupcake schedule the rest of the way. What am I missing here? Where is their fundamental flaw?
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    Interesting evaluation, love the hard numbers. But you failed to account for the fact that teams that are in the Post season are much better than the teams that play in the Regular season. In fact, I think probably every team in the NFL will have lower scoring numbers in the post-season than regular season. I'd be surprised if the dropoff is somehow unique to the Pats.

    Really, the salient point isn't whether the Pats score less in the post-season than the regular season; it's whether the dropoff for the Pats is as severe compared with other teams. THAT would be a better measure of the caliber, versatility and depth of an offense and the quality of the coaching.
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    I was responding to the idea that the only ing that can stop (or slow) the Pats' offense is the Pats themselves. Quite clearly, good defenses have found a way to stop/slow the Pats' offense in the playoffs.
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    On a neutral field, against which of the following teams would you favor Denver:

    NE
    TEX
    SF
    GB
    ATL
    NO
    CHI
    NYG
    BAL
    PIT
    TB
    SEA
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    2007:

    Patriots destroy Jaguars by taking what Jags were giving
    Brady injured against Chargers, team goes to the running game to close it out
    Brady still injured against Giants, others also injured... Had put up 30+ against Giants about a month earlier.

    2009:

    Brady coming back from injury
    Welker injured in last game of season

    2010:

    The only true "loss", against the Jets, after the Patriots make stupid mistakes stopping themselves (INT on screen, dropped TD pass)

    2011:

    Broncos get smoked
    In Ravens game, Brady plays poorly, Patriots still get 23
    For Giants game, Gronk injured

    So there's really only been 2 games where the team was 'healthy' and still got held down, and one of those games saw them held down in large part because of errors the team itself made.
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    Last four Super Bowl champs...

    2011 NY Giants
    Regular season: 24.6
    Post season: 25.5

    2010 Packers
    Regular season: 24.3
    Post season: 30.3

    2009 Saints
    Regular season: 31.9
    Post season: 35.7

    2008 Steelers
    Regular season: 21.7
    Post season: 28.3
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    Excuses, excuses. I've paid just as much attention to thefts over these years as you so I'm not oblivious to these things, but the pattern over those four years is real. I hope the Pats don't fall prey to it again this year.
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    I'll take Pats over any other team too
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