Will this defense be top ten? (hint: no)

[manxman2601]

I dont think you can just arbitrarily throw out stats though. While I get this "GT" theory and believe it has some merit, the Patriots D is getting credit there for something that is not of their doing.

I am just trying to learn the real science here. So I would appreciate some help really trying to get the true data

If someone was on another fans message board and trying to show their D was better than the Patriots, wouldn't the first thing they say is that the Pats has the advantage of playing offenses that are taking many more risks?

Or maybe this is more black and white and I am overthinking it?

Truth is, whether they are the no1,2,8 or 32nd ranked defense is actually irrelevant, the result of the game is the only thing that matters. However, there is empirical data that shows that when the outcome of a game is in question, the Pats D performs better than when the game is no longer in question. I'm sure the offence is a part of that, as is special teams (field position), but the data is still there.

 

[Bruins29]

Truth is, whether they are the no1,2,8 or 32nd ranked defense is actually irrelevant, the result of the game is the only thing that matters. However, there is empirical data that shows that when the outcome of a game is in question, the Pats D performs better than when the game is no longer in question. I'm sure the offence is a part of that, as is special teams (field position), but the data is still there.

Yeah, its all about wins. Dont care much for the best this or that. And this is truly a perfect example of complimentary football. The Offfense is making it easier for the D by clearly putting other teams in a hole.

Anyway, good to see SOME posters digging into some real thought and science about all this (above and beyond the one GT metric) and realizing there is a lot more to this than one simple metric.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Anyway, good to see SOME posters digging into some real thought and science about all this (above and beyond the one GT metric) and realizing there is a lot more to this than one simple metric.

Yeah, well at this point we're trying to embarrass the OP for assuming that our defense would come up short in statistical categories, which isn't the case at all!

That's one reason why this thread keeps getting "bumped" every time a new metric comes up

 

[Interception]

@Interception Here's another way to approach this....

"New England averages a 10-point lead at halftime. So the first-half numbers -- when it’s still a ballgame -- matter and in the first two quarters, the Patriots rank fifth in points allowed, fourth in yards per play, eighth in yards per carry allowed and fourth in total yards. They’re not infallible by any means, but they are very good."

Weird, I thought the patriots were doing better in the second half than the first half of games. That's interesting.

But are you saying a 1o-point lead means it's not a ballgame anymore?

 

[Interception]

Yeah, well at this point we're trying to embarrass the OP for assuming that our defense would come up short in statistical categories, which isn't the case at all!

That's one reason why this thread keeps getting "bumped" every time a new metric comes up

And when this D falls flat, this thread will be ignored... just like the negative stats that get posted.
Anyone who trusts this secondary against an elite QB is kidding themselves. We are lucky that every elite QB in the league is playing like **** this year.

 

[The Brandon Five]

And when this D falls flat, this thread will be ignored... just like the negative stats that get posted.
Anyone who trusts this secondary against an elite QB is kidding themselves. We are lucky that every elite QB in the league is playing like **** this year.

That would be news to Tom Brady.

You know, here's an idea: have your defense practice against the elite QB who is not playing like ****.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

I've done it, multiples times, already. The Jets game alone is enough to demonstrate the idiocy of the argument.

Deus, how? That win probability wasn't until the final 60 seconds as noted. Explain or provide links to your posts or evidence please

 

[Archeryaddict12]

And when this D falls flat, this thread will be ignored... just like the negative stats that get posted.
Anyone who trusts this secondary against an elite QB is kidding themselves. We are lucky that every elite QB in the league is playing like **** this year.

This secondary plays against the GOAT every week

 

[JMC00]

Deus, how? That win probability wasn't until the final 60 seconds as noted. Explain or provide links to your posts or evidence please

He won't.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

He won't.

Well then I can hammer him for making false statements And making his opinion facts

 

[supafly]

And when this D falls flat, this thread will be ignored... just like the negative stats that get posted.
Anyone who trusts this secondary against an elite QB is kidding themselves. We are lucky that every elite QB in the league is playing like **** this year.

Look, ultimately your prediction may be proven to be correct. Maybe they come in at #11, #13, or #14. Either way, it would be better than anyone expected, and thus far--they've proven themselves to be quite formidable as an overall unit.

The CB concerns are definitely warranted and shared by many, no matter what they say. The hope is that the unit itself will compliment each other and prove to hold the opposition in check enough to where we can give up something around 20-23 points.

 

[Oswlek]

And when this D falls flat, this thread will be ignored... just like the negative stats that get posted.
Anyone who trusts this secondary against an elite QB is kidding themselves. We are lucky that every elite QB in the league is playing like **** this year.

This thread has been an exercise in goal post shifting. First they weren't going to be top 10 overall, then it was an average of several stats, then it was cherry picked stats and now you are saying a single bad game at any point is enough to crow about?

You must think last year's secondary totally blew then, right? I mean, they gave up 31 points to the Ravens and then 24 to a scuffling Seahawk offense. If only they were like that dominant 2011 squad. They didn't allow more than 20 points in a single playoff game!

 

[patsinthesnow]

@dougkyed: Patriots are allowing 4.91 yards per play in Quarters 1-3 (6th best in NFL) and 6.01 in the 4th (5th most in NFL) when coverages loosen up.

 

[Deflatemyballs]

And when this D falls flat, this thread will be ignored... just like the negative stats that get posted.
Anyone who trusts this secondary against an elite QB is kidding themselves. We are lucky that every elite QB in the league is playing like **** this year.

I've never met a fan so arrogant he/she would rather be right than have his/her own team field a very good defense. Only on the internet I guess.

 

[jmt57]

I've never met a fan so arrogant he/she would rather be right than have his/her own team field a very good defense. Only on the internet I guess.

You must have missed the epic Patradmous "I don't care! I can't stand it" thread from the beginning of last season. This thread appears to be eerily similar.

 

[Deflatemyballs]

You must have missed the epic Patradmous "I don't care! I can't stand it!" thread from the beginning of last season. This thread appears to be eerily similar.

I wasn't actively posting at that time but I remember the seeing the title and how many pages it was and just not even wanting to bother

 

[jmt57]

I wasn't actively posting at that time but I remember the seeing the title and how many pages it was and just not even wanting to bother

Cliff notes version: Patradomous overreacted to how Denver was so much better and doing so much more to win very early in the season. As the year went on he kept doubling down rather than admitting that his original post may have been a knee jerk overreaction.

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I do have to wonder aloud why some people think that points allowed is not a useful statistic, but other stats like yardage are more meaningful. One would think that the way wins and losses are determined would be relatively important, rather than those one or two (out of twenty or thirty) stats that the team does not rank highly in.

 

[Deflatemyballs]

Cliff notes version: Patradomous overreacted to how Denver was so much better and doing so much more to win very early in the season. As the year went on he kept doubling down rather than admitting that his original post may have been a knee jerk overreaction.

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I do have to wonder aloud why some people think that points allowed is not a useful statistic, but other stats like yardage are more meaningful. One would think that the way wins and losses are determined would be relatively important, rather than those one or two (out of twenty or thirty) stats that the team does not rank highly in.

I just really don't understand the point of doubling down on stupidity when whatever the person happened to be wrong about was working out really well for our team. Shouldn't we all be happy when things work out for the patriots as fans? I just don't get it, you know if Logan Ryan breaks out and becomes an all pro I would be psyched, not irritated because I never thought he would be anything above average.

 

[glm]

You must have missed the epic Patradmous "I don't care! I can't stand it" thread from the beginning of last season. This thread appears to be eerily similar.

A patsfans.com classic right there ladies and gents.

 

[luuked]

Cliff notes version: Patradomous overreacted to how Denver was so much better and doing so much more to win very early in the season. As the year went on he kept doubling down rather than admitting that his original post may have been a knee jerk overreaction.

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I do have to wonder aloud why some people think that points allowed is not a useful statistic, but other stats like yardage are more meaningful. One would think that the way wins and losses are determined would be relatively important, rather than those one or two (out of twenty or thirty) stats that the team does not rank highly in.

I still think we should give out awards at the end of football season for the best/worst threads and there definitely should be a "I don't care. I can't stand it" award. That thread is legend.