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ronnie lippett, craig james
I was going to say Lippett, but I think James was a flash in the pan. James had one great year, one average year and three crappy years in the league.
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Are we only including Patriot draft picks? Adalius Thomas is pretty good for a sixth rounder.
1. Tom Brady, '00, 6th rnd, 199th overall
2. Troy Brown, '93, 8th rnd, 198th overall
3. Ray Hamilton, '73, 14th rnd, 342nd overall
4. Sam Hunt, '74, 15th rnd, 374th overall
5. Dan Koppen, '03, 5th rnd, 164th overall
Hon. mention:
John Smith, undrafted
Stephen Neal, undrafted
Steven Gostkowski, '06, 4th rnd, 118th overall
Jarvis Green, '02, 4th rnd, 126th overall
Mosi, Gash, Grogan
3rd rounders: Bruschi (86th overall) and Curtis Martin (74th overall)
I don't think Givens belongs on that list. He was strictly a system reciever who virtually disappreared into thin air when he left the team.
Even if he was a 'system player' he was drafted to be a part of the Patriots system, and he was great at it. Regardless of what he does for other teams, he was great for the Pats and a big part of two championships.
I just don't think he belongs in the Patriot top 5. Among other things, he didn't always run his routes correctly, which enfuriated Brady at times.No way. Givens was huge in 2 SB wins. He was a 1b WR, very clutch, tough and a real winner. Of course he played better with Brady than he would have with another QB, but who wouldn't? You can't call him "a Tom Brady by-product" without wondering why so many other WRs played at such a lower level with Brady than DG did.
I just don't think he belongs in the Patriot top 5. Among other things, he didn't always run his routes correctly, which enfuriated Brady at times.
I'd like to nominate the following:
Jim Nance - 19th round, 1965
Ray Hamilton - 14th round, 1973
Sam Hunt - 15th round, 1974
Steve Grogan - 5th round, 1975
Mosi Tatupu - 8th round, 1978
Lin Dawson - 8th round, 1981
Fred Marion - 8th round, 1982
Craig James - 7th round, 1983
Ronnie Lippett - 8th round, 1983
Ben Coates - 5th round, 1991
Troy Brown - 8th round, 1993
Tom Brady - 6th round, 2000
David Givens - 7th round, 2002
Matt Cassel - 7th round, 2005
Also worth mentioning: Randy Vataha was a 17th round pick by the Rams in 1971, was cut in pre-season, and picked up as a free agent - but doesn't count since he wasn't drafted by the Pats.
For my top five, I'll go with Brady, Nance, Coates, Brown and Grogan - though it's tough to leave off Hamilton and Hunt.
David Givens was very clutch and delivered much more than his draft status should have enable him too. He caught touchdowns in 5 straight playoff games.....
Good one, I forgot about him.What about Nick Buoiniconti?
I just don't think he belongs in the Patriot top 5. Among other things, he didn't always run his routes correctly, which enfuriated Brady at times.
What about Nick Buoiniconti?