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  1. ScottishPat

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    I know there is still years left in him but when he does retire would any of you consider trading for Cassel ? He played well when he was here.

    Or would you pick up a QB in the draft ?
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    I think BB will pick a QB a few years before, and build him up ready.

    It worked for Green Bay :D
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    Have to love the off season and all of these illogical what if posts. Cassel is 28, I wouldn't be surprised if he was out of the league before Brady.
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    Ummmm...no on cassel...pats will draft the successor to the king.
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    But his body hasn't taken the hits like Brady!

    Not even in college!
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    When Brady retires Belichick shifts to Football Czar duties. Hello Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow!

    (I am trying to start my own rumor to see if it will get picked up by PFT or something...If I keep repeating it someone will eventually think it is truth!)
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    Cassel will either be ruined by Haley by then or have survived him to become a QB so valuable the Chief's wouldn't be interested in trading...

    Bill will get Tommy's replacement from the same place he got Tommy, day 3 of the draft and developed under Tom in the system.

    Generally speaking it's easier to teach the system to a rookie QB who fits the profile than it is to unteach bad habits learned elsewhere to a veteran QB...although he would likely also start kicking the tires on some veteran backups when the time comes.

    QB's drafted much earlier tend to be less coachable or adaptable because they have been conditioned to think it's all about their measurables talent. QB's who are playing now will either be too valuable to trade or not worth the price. Situations like the Cassel one are few and far between, and his value was largely tied to having been developed HERE. Remember, Bill's actually kicked a lot of tires over the last decade and only a handful could remotely run this offense. To date that handful were all what scouts would have characterized at best as diamond in the rough potential career NFL backups...

    Even Rogers who was a late first round faller and had to muster some real mental toughness to sit for 3 seasons in a nearly no win situation behind the thing that wouldn't leave.

    I think the way Brady's extension was done lends itself to one more incremental 2-4 year extension at the mid point of his current deal (2013) at which time BB will also have been extended another 4-5. I don't think Tommy's replacement needs to be on the roster before 2013-14 because I don't think he will see the field much before 2016. I think in the interim Bill would be happy to develop trading chips behind Tom, any of which might provide value as Tom's bachup before becoming the chip that helps replace him without dipping into draft picks better spent in the trenches and in insuring that guy takes over a team that doesn't need the next Tom Brady to be a contender. 'Cause you may never find THAT guy again.
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    I would do what Mo said ^^

    ps good to see a fellow Scot on the forum :rocker:
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    i think the strategy you see now is in place in finding the next QB. Brian Hoyer is the backup QB right now and every year someone will come in who will challenge him if he can keep beating them every year in training camp, Hoyer will probably be the next QB here, but who knows, he may never end up playing for the patriots, Tom has said he wants to play til he is 40 and he has a real good chance of being able to do that with his method of play and this team's offense.

    the dink and dunk is about finding the open guy and reading coverage quickly, it isnt based at all on how athletic you are or how far you can throw the ball, although the option is there, tom who has never been a great runner will almost never put himself in a situation where he can be seriously injured outside of the pocket.

    Other than that, this O-line is one of this best in the NFL and as long as he has the couple seconds he needs to find the open guy, it will be all about Brady's decision making and his head more than anything else, and i think he proved this year that his decision making is pretty damn good.
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    Urban meyer couldn't handle college anymore due to his heart or nerves, so he's going to the pros?

    Tim Tebow has shown what? He's a good college QB that can run over tiny LBs, of which there are none in the NFL, and can't read a defense or have a throwing motion that will work in the NFL?

    Brilliant.
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    Sorry, but I don't take your trolling ass seriously. You and RabThePat should get NEM'ed out of this place.
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    No, he's awful.
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    You are seriously suggesting that the pats should hire a retired Urban Meyer (with a heart and nerve condition) and the useless Tim Tebow and I'm trolling? Either you're trolling or you are a fool. College isn't the pros. Tim Tebow is a joke.

    Your post will stand in perpetuity as one of the stupidest posts of any time, anywhere about anything. I will remind you of this as it becomes more and more evident.
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    Brian "Tom Sawyer" Hoyer! :rocker:
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    ........its possible we wont be as good. However, I'm not into hypotheticals.
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    Wait, Tom Brady is going to have to retire one day??

    On a serious note, I agree that BB will draft a successor several years before
    brady retires. We can only hope it turns out as well as it did for green bay.
    I don't see why it couldn't happen, a great coach and a great quarterback as mentors, along with a stable organization....whoever comes next will have no excuse if they don't succeed.
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    Rookie contracts max out at 4-6 years...May be even less under a new CBA because their first contract will be slotted. A QB worth keeping would probably command a starters contract or franchise tag after 3-4 years, kind of like Cassel did, and Brady will likely command another extension that will result in $18M+ cap hits for him alone say from 2013-2016...

    One of the unique aspects of what happened in Green Bay was that because Brett never showed up for camps Rogers at least got all the first team reps until the pre season. That would never happen with Brady. If he's here and healthy he gets all the first team reps and he plays most if not all of the snaps. Even in SF Young was in and out of the lineup for 4 years due to various injuries to Montana. And even without a cap they had to move one and retain one because paying both was too costly. I know SD paid two for a couple of years...but then again they have yet to win anything in the process... Maybe that Rivers draft pick and double QB salaries would have been better spent elsewhere and put them over the top...
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    Felger actually said they should use one of the 1st round picks in the upcoming draft for TB's successor, of course he wanted the Pats to take Tebow last year.
    Like Mo says we have Hoyer now unless someone beats him out and BB will draft QB's late in the draft that he can mold into what he wants. The day Tom retires the QB will be on the roster and ready.
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    Cassel was probably a one year wonder who was QB for a team just a few months removed from 18-1

    I have no idea on how he made the pro bowl this year...I doubt his stats were worthy.
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    Actually they were... Cassel wasn't another Brady, but he was developable into an above average starter in this league. There aren't as many of them as some of you seem to think, and a lot of overhyped guys are nothing more than that...including first rounders more of whom are busts or below average than above it.
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    He threw 27 TDs and only 7 picks for a playoff team that in 2010 was expected to do absolutely nothing.

    He would not have been in had Brady not broken his foot. Who else in the AFC had a better individual season that was not chosen over MC? Maybe Flacco or Schaub but it's not clear cut.
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    Felger also believed that Palmer was a better bet than Brady going forward in 2006...

    He was right about Moss, but that was more of a blind angry squirrel kind of thing...
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    Cassel? No way.

    They will continue to take occasional late-round fliers on QBs.

    Note: one thing I can assure you of...the next QB will be MOBILE. The last two QBs they drafted were and I have to assume that successor to the king will be also.
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    The more mobile ones aren't here anymore. They want the guy who can read defenses and remain poised in the pocket and run this offense and only use his legs on rare occasions. They don't want a scrambler because they tend to revert to that norm under pressure.
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    Ah but look at the last two draftees; they were mobile. Now I should clarify what I mean by mobile; ability to move around in the pocket to avoid the rush.

    The Patriots definitely want mobile; look at Cassel and O'Connell.

    The wonder if the day of the statues are dwindling...
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    KOC didn't last past year 1. Gutierrez didn't last much longer in part because they failed to develop the traits that really matter here and tried to rely on their mobility.
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    I want the Pats to pick up Andy Dalton!!!
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    Belichick always drafts QBs - some he hopes turn into tradeable commodities and valuable backups, like Cassel, but that's rare. It comes down to volume - you don't "just pick" your next QB in a draft - it's "volume volume volume" in terms of drafting QBs til you find one that's the real deal

    Even with Tom Brady in for the long term Belichick has used a 3rd rounder on a QB so as Brady is a few years older now, I wouldn't be shocked to see a higher pick used at QB

    Ryan Mallett’s off field issues -whatever they truly are - is causing his stock to drop out of the first round... maybe even out of the 2nd. That might make him a major value pick for a team with 6 picks in the first 3 roudns. His college numbers are impressive and he's got size and strength - he could also be the next Ryan Leaf.

    But that might make the Patriots, playing alongside Brady, out of the spotlight and pressure, the perfect place for him to develop - as opposed to the pressure cooker that Leaf and other rookie QBs can be thrown into.

    Regardless - it wouldn't surprise me to see them take a QB high in the draft (1st 3 rounds) this year especially.
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    This year of all years I'd be stunned to see them do that, especially the way KOC washed out and got run over by an UDFA. At that level you need to draft a player who should be viable at least as a backup if not in your system at least in someones...and fourth string on the JETS doesn't count as viable. Even our 3rd rounders are too valuable in a shallow draft as trading chips to move up to secure the players we truly need or to insure we have multiple seconds in 2012. Forget about wasting any of the higher picks on a player who may never see the field here... That's what foolish teams like the Dolphins do...

    Hoyer is signed through 2011 and due to be an RFA in 2012. So I think we certainly should consider drafting a QB in the latter rounds if in fact one like McElroy is available in the 4th or later. Unless we have a target QB in mind no one's talking up who is unlikely to be drafted like a Hoyer... But the first 100 picks in a shallow draft are too valuable to waste on a player who will have a hard time ever seeing the field here. We're looking to replace the backup, not the starter at this juncture...
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    New England Patriots - times their QB was sacked
    2004 - 26
    2005 - 28 (Brady 26, Flutie 1, Davey 1)
    2006 - 29 (Brady 26, Cassel 3)
    2007 - 21
    2008 - 48 (Cassel 47, O'Connell 1)
    2009 - 18 (Brady 16, Hoyer 2)
    2010 - 25

    Tom Brady - times he was sacked
    2004 - 26
    2005 - 26
    2006 - 26
    2007 - 21
    2008 - 0 (injured)
    2009 - 16
    2010 - 25
    (AVG: 23.3)

    Matt Cassel - times he was sacked
    2008 - 47
    2009 - 42
    2010 - 26
    (AVG: 38.3)

    So the more mobile Cassel gets sacked, on average, far more than Brady does. In 2008, with essentially the same offensive line that Brady had in 2007 and 2009, got sacked 47 times. In 2007 and 2009, Brady got sacked a total of 47 times - in twice the number of games.

    Being mobile doesn't necessarily = fewer times sacked.

    Michael Vick (the most mobile QB in the history of the NFL):

    2004 - 46 sacks
    2005 - 33 sacks
    2006 - 45 sacks
    2010 - 34 sacks (in just 12 games)

    Ben Roethlisberger (one of the most mobile QB in the league)

    2006 - 46 sacks
    2007 - 47 sacks
    2008 - 46 sacks
    2009 - 50 sacks
    2010 - 32 sacks (in just 12 games)

    Aaron Rodgers (another highly mobile QB)

    2008 - 34 sacks
    2009 - 50 sacks
    2010 - 31 sacks

    All of these guys get sacked at a *far* higher rate than Brady does. Cassel, Vick, Roethlisberger, Rodgers - all are highly mobile QB that also throw the ball well (i.e., they're not just "option" QBs). And they have been on successful teams for the most part. And yet they get sacked a TON.

    Brady isn't mobile, but neither were Dan Marino and Peyton Manning, and those two guys hardly ever got sacked. Same with Brady.
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