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Do you have a source for this statement? It contradicts everything I've read heretofore on the matter and am wondering how true it may be.Insane amount of money???...Huh????????????????????
How Much Does an NFL Referee Make?
The average salary that an NFL referee earns per year nests between the sums of $25,000 and $70,000. This is not as much as the referees for others like the NHL
I think the main sticking point is evaluation not money, except pension. I think the NFL wants to avoid having MLB like officials -- guys who are practically untouchable and get lazy.
I think the NFL is actually right on on this. Rules that promote accountability are good. Having the refs have this much leveage is not great. The problem is the NFL tried to crush the refs by suggesting that anyone can do it. That was an all in move and they lost.
What the NFL could have done is say look, this is going to be rough. Fans, we are sorry, but we need to think longterm and protect the integrity of the game. Stick with us, support these guys and we will get through it, and when the regular guys are back they will be leaner, meaner, more accountable and better.
But they didn't do that and now they are screwed.
Insane amount of money???...Huh????????????????????
How Much Does an NFL Referee Make?
The average salary that an NFL referee earns per year nests between the sums of $25,000 and $70,000. This is not as much as the referees for others like the NHL
and NBA make. The umpires in Major League Baseball make around $141,000 annually. The NBA referees make around $128,000 annually and the NHL officials earn around $139,000 annually. By looking at these sums, individuals will see that the NFL referees are at the bottom of the charts when it comes to the amount of money they earn. However, one has to consider the fact that an NFL referee works one game a week, while referees in the other sports work multiple games per week. The job of NFL referee required flexibility and go through training before match.
In contrast....
As for the type of salary NFL rookies can expect to earn under their contracts, Slough noted that rookies receive “minimum salaries under the CBA.” This season, the minimum salary is $390,000.00. In 2013, this year’s rookies can expect to earn $480,000.00 in salary. In 2014, they’ll earn $570,000.00 in salary.
You have a unique perspective that I, personally,cannot agree with...but you're welcome to think that ref salaries are "insane!!!"....to me that's like going to a steak house and spending 100 bucks on a 2 pound porterhouse and ragging all meal long about MickeyD's raising their Big Mac price by 25 cents.
are you insinuating I made those figures up?
I know you asked this question to someone else, but please let me respond anyway.are you insinuating I made those figures up?
100% agreed. If I take the midpoint of the $25,000 and $75,000 you cite, I get $50,000.
When you consider that the NFLRA says that they are looking for around $30 million per year in salary and benefits, with increases over the seven year life of the deal, they're only asking for three tenths of one percent of the annual revenue pie to protect the quality and integrity of the game. The NFL is holding out $10 million below that number. That's insane.
Pay these guys like the Professionals they are!
They should be under scrutiny from the league. Everyone is under scrutiny from their employer. Obviously there is much higher scrutiny from the media and fans in sports, but the leagues do their best to protect the referees from the teams. Not many professions (part-time at that) are given the protection of fining those who speak negatively about them.100% agreed. If I take the midpoint of the $25,000 and $75,000 you cite, I get $50,000. Let's think about what these guys do for that money.
They have to attend seminars and training sessions, as well as participate in pre-season activities in Training Camps. None of these things occur in their home town, so they have to travel over night, for at least one night to do any of that, usually more.
On a game weekend, they have to get to the venue the day before if they're reffing a 1:00 or 4:00 game, or early on the day of a night game, to rule out travel delays keeping them away. If they ref a late afternoon game, it's likely that many of them have to spend the night of the game in the city of the game because not every NFL venue has direct or even connecting flights to every part of the country that leave after 9PM, which would be the earliest flight you could plan given stadium traffic. If you ref a night game, you have to stay that night. So, they give up the entire weekend plus, in many cases, the first day of the week. If they do a Thursday night game, they take at least two and maybe three days out of their work week, unless they are local to the game.
On top of that, they do their jobs under constant scrutiny from the League, the Media, the Teams and the Fans.
So, 16 regular season games times two or three days a game (call it 2.5) plus another at least 10--20 days of other travel (call it 15) plus many hours of study and work at home. That comes out to 55 days for less than a thousand dollars a day (not counting time spent working at home). To get a quality professional at the top of his profession, that's dirt cheap. Even if you add the usual 33% for benefits, it's still too little.
I know that a thousand bucks a day sounds like a fortune to many folks, but as we know from the CBA discussions last year, the annual NFL revenue pie is over $9 billion.
When you consider that the NFLRA says that they are looking for around $30 million per year in salary and benefits, with increases over the seven year life of the deal, they're only asking for three tenths of one percent of the annual revenue pie to protect the quality and integrity of the game. The NFL is holding out $10 million below that number. That's insane.
Pay these guys like the Professionals they are!
They should be under scrutiny from the league. Everyone is under scrutiny from their employer. Obviously there is much higher scrutiny from the media and fans in sports, but the leagues do their best to protect the referees from the teams. Not many professions (part-time at that) are given the protection of fining those who speak negatively about them.
I also have no idea where that $25-75k comes from, but from I understand the average for even a first-time official was at $78k. Which is fantastic pay for 55 days, even though I question that number as well.
Well yeah, I think there is a lot of disagreement about this because there are so many assumptions being made about the money and time involved. And opinions on what is and isn't satisfactory work for 60 days will vary, certainly. But when several of the days of this hypothetical time commitment are maybe a plane ride and hotel stay, it's still decent pay that some will consider fantastic. It's a drop in the bucket for the NFL in terms of revenue, without a doubt you are correct on that. But it's not like it is a lowball offer, in my opinion.We just disagree. At the top of their profession, as one of only 119 people publicly protecting the integrity and success of a $9b per year enterprise on the field, I don't think a little over $1,000 per day, when it includes benefits, is "fantastic." It represents dramatic under compensation. Also, I'd left out preseason games which add another 10 days to their year, bringing it over or around 60.
The refs are asking for a package that escalates to $30 million per year over seven years (remember, 30 mill is less than one half of one percent of NFL revenue for a year and yet these are the guys that make sure nonsense like we saw this weekend happens rarely and not just about in every other game).
Now there are about 120 officials and the league wants to bring the number to 141 to allow for flexibility and also for benching officials who aren't performing. $30 million would come out to an average of $212k per official. Assuming that Referees get paid more than a Field Judge and that longer term officials get paid more than newbies, that feels like it would average out about right.
That's a lot of good money and the standards for holding onto a job like that would have to be very high.
A Field Judge in his first year would probably get less than $100 and a long term, SB caliber ref would be able to make around $300k or about $4,000 per day plus benefits. That would make him competitive with a senior professional consultant at the top of his profession in industry.
One of the first lessons I learned after I left B school was that "If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys." The NFL is fielding its version of the monkey squad now; time to pay up and get the pros back into the game.
We just disagree. At the top of their profession, as one of only 119 people publicly protecting the integrity and success of a $9b per year enterprise on the field, I don't think a little over $1,000 per day, when it includes benefits, is "fantastic." It represents dramatic under compensation. Also, I'd left out preseason games which add another 10 days to their year, bringing it over or around 60.
The refs are asking for a package that escalates to $30 million per year over seven years (remember, 30 mill is less than one half of one percent of NFL revenue for a year and yet these are the guys that make sure nonsense like we saw this weekend happens rarely and not just about in every other game).
Now there are about 120 officials and the league wants to bring the number to 141 to allow for flexibility and also for benching officials who aren't performing. $30 million would come out to an average of $212k per official. Assuming that Referees get paid more than a Field Judge and that longer term officials get paid more than newbies, that feels like it would average out about right.
That's a lot of good money and the standards for holding onto a job like that would have to be very high.
A Field Judge in his first year would probably get less than $100 and a long term, SB caliber ref would be able to make around $300k or about $4,000 per day plus benefits. That would make him competitive with a senior professional consultant at the top of his profession in industry.
One of the first lessons I learned after I left B school was that "If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys." The NFL is fielding its version of the monkey squad now; time to pay up and get the pros back into the game.
Insane amount of money???...Huh????????????????????
How Much Does an NFL Referee Make?
The average salary that an NFL referee earns per year nests between the sums of $25,000 and $70,000. This is not as much as the referees for others like the NHL
and NBA make. The umpires in Major League Baseball make around $141,000 annually. The NBA referees make around $128,000 annually and the NHL officials earn around $139,000 annually. By looking at these sums, individuals will see that the NFL referees are at the bottom of the charts when it comes to the amount of money they earn. However, one has to consider the fact that an NFL referee works one game a week, while referees in the other sports work multiple games per week. The job of NFL referee required flexibility and go through training before match.
In contrast....
As for the type of salary NFL rookies can expect to earn under their contracts, Slough noted that rookies receive “minimum salaries under the CBA.” This season, the minimum salary is $390,000.00. In 2013, this year’s rookies can expect to earn $480,000.00 in salary. In 2014, they’ll earn $570,000.00 in salary.
You have a unique perspective that I, personally,cannot agree with...but you're welcome to think that ref salaries are "insane!!!"....to me that's like going to a steak house and spending 100 bucks on a 2 pound porterhouse and ragging all meal long about MickeyD's raising their Big Mac price by 25 cents.
I don't consider the level of talent required by an NFL ref to be the equal of a top professional consultant. While the NFL has seriously screwed the pooch here, it's primarily because they threw untrained replacements out there. If they had actually planned for this occasion and got the replacements a few months of training, it likely wouldn't be nearly as bad. Poorly negotiated on the NFL's part, that's for certain.
Well yeah, I think there is a lot of disagreement about this because there are so many assumptions being made about the money and time involved. And opinions on what is and isn't satisfactory work for 60 days will vary, certainly. But when several of the days of this hypothetical time commitment are maybe a plane ride and hotel stay, it's still decent pay that some will consider fantastic. It's a drop in the bucket for the NFL in terms of revenue, without a doubt you are correct on that. But it's not like it is a lowball offer, in my opinion.
Don't get me wrong the league screwed up in their handling of finding replacements. They weren't able to get the good college coaches for a number of reasons, and were left with some very mediocre to bad referees in positions where errors are highly publicized. There should have been more training, more prep. I would imagine there are several D-1 referees who could make the move up and become more than qualified even if it isn't immediate.
They would be more apt to do so if they knew that they weren't giving up good college gigs for what they fully expect to be temporary positions. Add in that any referee is aspires to be in the NFL in the near future knows that they can't cross the picket line and give the middle finger to the union they are trying to become a part of. Add to that the fact that this group of replacements is viewed as a group, and the guy who was next in line to jump to the NFL would've had to face being lumped in with the Lingerie football refs of the world.
I don't think it is so much that these are the only 120 guys who can do the job, but the politics of the situation are such that the next tier of guys who could do it have little incentive to do so right now. The pay increase for them is triple, quadruple maybe more of what they make in college. I would bet they would consider it pretty fantastic, but the politics of crossing the picket line hurts them in the long term.
I think your point is valid, their perceived value has increased and I don't think you're alone in that. But, for me I have to account that a large part of the increase is derived from comparing a filet mignon to a hot pocket instead of comparing it to a rib-eye. I personally would like to see the rib-eye but it's not going to happen this year. My bet is they get a deal done because as you said, it's a multi-billion industry.