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Relax, Nancy Pants. We all play for the same team!

Get a sense of humour already.

I have a great sense of humor -- when something is funny, "Nancy Pants." You're just a pathetic Green Beans troll here to stir the pot for attention. Go away.
 
Hahaha, you should save that utterly fantastic yet so ironic thread title for the Cheats.

Oh, you are not a valiantly struggling ****** child, just a Jets fan. My mistake...

Oh, were you referring to kneegate? Wrong team.
 
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It's all good. Looking forward to meaningful discussion.

Huh? Your first effort at meaningful discussion was an absolute failure.

Now do humanity a favor and increase the average level of intelligence - suicide is painless.
 
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collinsworth is being optimistic. I don't think they'll be a season this year. Maybe next year...50/50 for next year. What would be hilarious is if there's no more football at all. I think there will be but it'll start with scabs and then more and more players will move over....as long as the union is crushed, I'll be happy.:rocker:
 
People need to realize that idiots looking for attention leave much more quickly when they are ignored.
 
People need to realize that idiots looking for attention leave much more quickly when they are ignored.

Sometimes showing them the mirror is just as effective.
 
It sucks...but if that's what it takes to get it done right and secure a sustainable CBA for the next couple of decades as opposed to ending up like MLB or the NBA, so be it.

Nothing worthwhile is ever easy.

Too many people don't care about sustainability.

They live for the moment.


Like all the bankrupt former players who helped build the league that their own association pays hollow lip service to. For too many fans and players and former unions it's the what have you done for me lately league. Owners and hard core football fans are in it for the long haul.

Doty said yesterday that the courts don't like being asked to make decisions in business matter like this. Well DUH...:bricks:

You want them to - you know - negotiate their differences, throw the lawsuits and the sham decertification tactics out.

Townes,

I respect your opinions and have supported them numerous times. But we must agree to disagree here.

The issue is the rectification of a mistake by the owners, which they now acknowledge. They were warned by several owners that the last collective agreement was too rich in favor of the players.

Just like the past several agreements were too rich by the automakers vice the UAW. Thee result was that the cars they could afford to manufacture were price and feature uncompetitive with their competition, and the consumers chose not to buy enough of these inferior products. The result: bankruptcy and an eventual resetting of the wage and benefits levels,plus lots of suffering on all sides.

No matter "who shot John first", the owners have said player pay and benefit levels need a readjustment, downward. Whether they are "correct" or "incorrect" in any body else's measure or opinion, is wholly irrelevant.

It is what the people who write the paychecks, the owners, believe to be true, and that is what will happen sooner or later, courts or no courts.

Naturally the players resist, they liked getting overpaid. But that is posturing and posing. Sooner or later and it appears later, that is what will happen.

Courts and fans are irrelevant in establishing what the pay and benefit levels will eventually be. There is plenty of proof, that there are lots of would be-players who will work for levels the owners are willing to pay. There are currently no owners petitioning to buy a franchise, and who are willing to step in place of current owners and to spend more. Even if there were owners who were willing to sellout, it is a lengthy process, including the acceptance and approval of all current owners.


Yes, what is being lost to most, in all the legal droning, is that ~ regardless of what courts say ~ The Market Ultimately Sets The Price.

Sadly, the players ~ while individually intelligent ~ are proving to be what most groups are: stupid.

The owners were ~ stupidly ~ caught leaning the wrong way when they signed the last CBA at the height of the 2003-2006/7 economic Boom, and now they need to reign things back in, in order to protect the long term economic health of their Industry.

The Auto Industry was once every bit as robust and explosive as the NFL currently is, and it was precisely that expansion and growth ~ and the foolish but understandably human assumption of both the workers and the owners that it would never mature and cool off, even though every Industry in the history of mankind does precisely that ~ that led the workers to demand too much and the owners to concede too much...ultimately leading to disaster for all.

The NFL owners have now recovered their senses...But the damage has been done: The players have never dialed back salaries in the entire 90 years of the league's existence, and we are all, ultimately, mammals who are not inclined to give ground until severe pain is inflicted on us...

...Such as the loss of an entire season's pay.
 
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