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  1. yopats

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    We have seen this trend for the past year or so.. but it looks like we have moved from a traditional 3-4 base defense to a sub-package set and a vanilla fall back to our 3-4..

    The most important part is to see how they draft and grab players via FA with the new emphasis.. "Could the Pats grab another CB with the Raiders Pick"

    Sub package: 58 of 78
    3-4 defense: 17 of 78
    Short yardage: 3 of 78

    You can see the trend right here..
    Sub Package News, Videos, Photos, and PodCasts - ESPN
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    Wow, McCourty played 78/78 of the defensive snaps. I can't believe we wasted a pick on him. We should have drafted Jerry Hughes.
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    Thats really misleading.

    By SubPackage, they really mean "anything but a base 3-4". Those sub packages included anything from 4DBs to 6DBs, and anything from 2 lineman, to 5 lineman. You could make the argument just as easily that this stat means they should draft more lineman, or more linebackers.
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    Yup. I think our defense is going to morph into a 2 dt(Wilfork and Wright), 2 de/olb prob standing up(TBC and Ninkovich/Cunningham), 2 lb's(Mayo and Spikes w/Guyton coming in on 2nd and 3rd down) and 5 db's. Basically a 2-2-2-5
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    The score probably had something to do with it as well.
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    Plus all that switching sub packages was to confuse Palmer. It won't necessarily work on all QBs/offenses. The base is still a 3-4 I think.
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    And the opponent. I would be surprised if we don't see more base D against the Jets next week.
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    I think the score def had something to do with it.. but I would bet the house this year that a majority of our snaps will be some version of "the sub package" whatever that flavor may be..
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    I would beg to differ.. I see them trying to force Sanchez to pass and giving him plenty of different looks.. did you see him last night? I see alot of the 4-2-5 being played this game coming up w/ the Jets
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    Eh, they were playing something like 50% nickle last year.
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    But that's the thing, who is the fifth DB covering? I only see 2 real threats at receiver for the Jets (plus Keller the TE, who'll be covered by a safety), and neither of them is such a big threat I feel the need to double cover them consistently. I want the extra linebacker in there to stop the run.
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    I see a lot more of the Brace/ Wilfork / Prior /Wright --- Spikes / Mayo -- McCourty / Butler -- Merriweather / Chung / Sanders

    and then switching to the Cunnigham / Prior/ Wright / Banta-Cain -- Guyton/Mayo -- MCourty /Butler - Merriweather / Chung / Sanders
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    If it worked on Palmer, it can certainly work on Sanchez, and probably Edwards... any of the younger, less-experienced QB's.

    One thing to consider is that it was a "surprise" to the Bengals. The other teams we play will be better prepared for it.

    Either way, I thought the D looked great, and I'm looking forward to next week.
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    The advantage of having about a dozen personnel packages is that the other team really can't prepare for it. There isn't time in the week, nor is there room in their brains.

    We will face almost exclusively hurry up offenses going forward, to limit the defensive flexibility.
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    TBC and Ninko are not DE's. What you mean is a 4-2-5 with at least 4 linemen. We definitely will not run with 2 linemen and 5 DB's that's just inviting people to run on us all day long. The only time you see just 2 linemen on the field is when there is also 5 linebackers. However, on rare occasions, BB will throw a no linemen look, with 5 linebackers and 6 DB's.

    Anyway we will not be in the nickel next week, we will be in a heavy run-stop look, or even a 4-3. We are going to force the Jets to rely on their weakest link: Sanchize.
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    Agreed.. how about this formation though?
    Brace/ Wilfork / Prior /Wright --- Spikes / Mayo -- McCourty / Butler -- Merriweather / Chung / Sanders

    btw.. ur insights are awesome..
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