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  1. PatrioticDynasty

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    Ok, No one else is saying it, so I am....The REFS wanted Pay-A-Ton to win...

    Before you start jumping down my throat, lets take a quick look at a few key plays:

    1) Pass Interference on Hobbs in the End Zone, Ball placed on the one.

    Um...since when does jumping straight up, not touching the reciever at all and the ball hitting your back become Pass interfeierence => result led to 7 Points.

    2) 3rd and 6 Colts Drive, an Offsides penalty on Pats gives the Colts a first down

    Ok, last Time I checked, Offsides was only worth 5 yards, not 6? The refs said the spot was wrong and just gave it to them...=> result led to 7 Points

    3) Offensive Pass Interference on Troy Brown after Watson had a first down at the 19

    ...That is so bogus after the Hobbs call, Troy didn't even touch him after 5 yards???? led to us punting after another bogus motion call and a Brady sack => Result No Pats TD and put us out of even FG range!

    4) Banta-Cain gets hit with a roughing the passer Penalty, 15 yards and first down

    I do admit that Banta-Cain was hitting Manning hard, but on that exact call he was blocked and just managed to bump him with his back...Ummm that was pure crap => result led to 7 Points

    And the 2 Illegal motion and shift calls we had against us at critical times that were called when we had first downs, the one at the end of the game really stings...we could have run the clock out!

    It was the pats to win or lose in the end, but they wouldn't be in that spot if the refs didn't put them there....How many times in critical games have the refs cost us in the past 2 years? how many Rule changes have they made because of us? lets face it, they want some one else to win, not the PATS.
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    There were bad calls on both sides of the ball.

    What killed us was piss-poor defense and the inability to sustain drives on offense.
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    not to mention the numerous non calls for holding by their olinemen..i cant even count how many times i saw our dline's jerseys being pulled and arms grasping both sides of them in front of the refs..


    banta cain call was definately wrong.. he barely touched mannings head.. i think he was even blocked into manning..
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    not going to say it was the refs fault.. The TBC hit was questionable, but we lost because we did not put the colts away..
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    It wasn't the refs, it was the Colts.
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    Overall it was a little to their advantage. Not much but the TBC and the PI on Hobbs/no PI on Caldwell were enough to turn the tide. Make no mistake, the reffing was close enough that we should have still held the big lead - it's our fault we lost - but straight 50-50 reffing probably would have let us hold on too.
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    On number 1 you ask, "Um...since when does jumping straight up, not touching the reciever at all and the ball hitting your back become Pass interfeierence => result led to 7 Points."

    The answer is "every time."

    On number 4, I tend to agree with you. Unfortunately, I think the roughing the passer actually helped us out. The colts were going to score on the drive. I hate to say it, but they were. At least the roughing penalty put them near the 10 which is better as a defense anyway -- shorter field and they have to go a full 10. The only think the roughing really did, in my opinion, is make sure we actually had some time left on the clock to try to win the game.
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    Rename this the sour grapes thread. Even if I do tend to agree with the Hobb's and Brown calls. It's spilt milk,over,done, they won.
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    Sorry, We lost. Refs called a great game, IMO.
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    You must be nuts? a Great called game? sour grapes or not I highly doubt it was a great called game

    :confused:
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    The non-call on that PI on Caldwell was atrocious. For them to get a first down when Hobbs doesn't even touch the WR and later in the game them getting away with pushing Caldwell in the endzone... it just pisses me off thinking about it. But what pisses me off more is not being able to put them away and making Chargers-esque mistakes like dropping wide open passes. We lost but the refs sure didn't help us.
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    Not great, but they definitely were in let'em play mode. The greatest pleasure about winning last night would have been Polian drawing a fine for his post-game antics.
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    I understand they won, but it would be nice to say The game was evenly played when the refs had a big hand in it again...I am getting tired of the REF's not being accountable and certains call being reviewable and others not.

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    Ya, tey missed the Caldwell PI. Plus, the Hobbs play was very debatable.

    They almost need to allow for potential reviews on PI calls.
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    They made a great call when Wayne tripped over himself.
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    Yes -there were some questionable calls.

    But the Patriots still had every opportunity to win the game and didn't.

    The right team is going to the Super Bowl.

    No whining, no excuses from me. Congratulations Colts.
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    I belive this is a must, especially if it happens in the endzone the ball is placed on the one...that has to be reviewable...
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    I am impressed with the participants here. I really admire your not laying it on the refs. I am a Charger fan and we had some really classless Pats fans all week at the Charger forum leading up to yesterday's game. I tip my cap to all that refused to blame the refs. GREAT Game, I am sorry for your loss.

    pao
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    The initial angle really looked like PI... though perhaps the ball couldn't have been caught.

    The other camera clearly showed that there was no contact. Amazing how much one angle could look like PI and the other, none.
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    I'm as big a defender of the refs as there is, but I was shocked when no PI was called on Reche in the end zone. I already had it booked. I couldn't believe it, and assumed that replay would show I missed something. But I didn't. It's kind of lame to say, but even at that level, there's something to needing to sell the ref. I think if Reche had popped up making the flag throwing motion there and acting outraged, he might have gotten the call. He took the ref off the hook with his reaction.

    That said, I put that firmly in the category of calls that go both ways during the course of a game. The refs didn't win this game, the colts did.

    The play that's tearing me up is the 12 men call. The refs had nothing to do with that (other than calling it). That was on us.
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    I just wanted a fair game that is all.........The Hell with the Colts
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    Actually I agree on the non call when the Colts interfered with Caldwell. That was definitely interference. By the way, Caldwell is a class act. Dude played a helluva game against his ex-employer the Chargers and didn't rub their faces in it.

    pao
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    You are right,everyone that watched the game as a Pat's fan knows it. We know had the PI on Hobbs not been called Brady would be looking for a FG to tie on that last drive. Big difference,and yes there were other calls too. But **** it.It's over and done with.
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    I will not make excusses. The team blew a huge playoff lead. However, I think it is fair to say that the officials played a huge roll in this game. They were terrible and they killed us in key spots. The Steelers played through a similar s**t storm last year, this year the Pats did not. Hell of a season, pay Assante.
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    You are 1 for three in your statements. The other one , I don't know about.

    The one on Troy was very costly.
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    Couldn't agree more, I was screaming at the tv 'Pass Interference' but nothing, not even the announcers said anything. I was in shock especially after the Hobbs call!!

    Anyway I blame the defense for this loss. How do you BLOW a 21-6 halftime lead? Why play 10 yards off the receivers and NO coverage on the TEs and RBs???

    BAD D
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    It looked to me like Hobbs clearly pushed the guy in the End Zone. My problem with the play is the rule, not the call. I think there's no way Wayne(?) catches the ball and the flag should have been picked up. I do think the zebras correctly applied the crappy rule though. My guess is that Hobbs was going for PI there anyway because he was expecting that Manning was about to drop the ball into Wayne's pocket.

    Is it just me or didn't it seem pretty clear that when Sey jumped early that the Colt guy didn't react to him; but instead jumped at the chance at a cheap 5 yards? Isn't that supposed to be a false start?

    I gotta give the refs some credit on Hobbs' other incident in the end zone though. When I saw it I was sure it was PI. They don't get full points for that one because they called it incidental 'tangling of feet' when they should have announced that the receiver tripped over the goal line:D
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    Ok, let's try and get one thing straight here, especially Patsfaninaz and Patsnutme. THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN THE NFL ABOUT FACE GUARDING! There used to be a rule like that but hasn't been around for years. As long as the defender doesn't touch the receiver (which Hobbs didn't as shown by replay) and the ball hits him in the back, arms, head, etc. there is no penalty. Don't confuse this with if the defender hits the receiver and doesn't even try to look back to the ball, that's pass interference. Now if the defender is looking back at the ball and trying to make a catch (defender has just as much right to the ball as the receiver) and hits the receiver, then that too isn't a penalty. Regardless, it's past and it's going to be a long off-season.
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    I disagree with the refs calling a great game. LET'S ALL CONSIDER THIS FOR EVERYONE READING THIS THREAD AND TAKE A VOTE. IF THE NON-CALL THAT THE ANNOUNCERS EVEN SUGGESTED AS BAD, NOT BEING CALLED ON THE
    CALDWELL PASS IN THE ENDZONE ON THE LAST VERY IMPORTANT PATS DRIVE IS MADE CORRECTLY, THE PATS HAVE THE BALL ON THE ONE AND 99% CHANCE TO SCORE A TD. NOW THE LAST COLT TD IS MUTE. BRADY ONLY HAS TO GO ANOTHER 15 YARDS OR SO FOR A FG FROM THE COLTS 40 WITH A TIME OUT AND 24 SECONDS.I'D TAKE THOSE ODDS WITH BRADY.

    LETS VOTE: ISSUE WITH THE REFS: IF THAT WAS THE PATS DEFENDING HARRISON OR WAYNE, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE FREE WORLD WOULD SAY THAT THE REFS WOULD CALL THAT PI NO QUESTION, OR POLLIAN HAS A STROKE? WHY DIDN'T MR. "HOPE THERE WON'T BE ANY ROUGH STUFF DOWN THE FIELD ON OUR RECEIVERS" PILLIAN COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT ONE?

    THE TBC HIT IN SUCH AN IMPORTANT POINT IN THE GAME? B.S. FRIENDS! TROY BROWN GETS CALLED ON AN OFFENSIVE P.I.? WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT WAS CALLED IN SUCH AN IMPORTANT GAME AND DO WE NEED TO GO TO THE NBA RULES AND ACKNOWLEDGE HE WAS MOVING HIS FEET TO ATTACK TB SO HOW CAN IT BE OFFENSIVE. WANTA SEE A PICK? LOOK AT LAST WEEKS GAME WHEN GATES CATCHES THAT PASS AND HEADS TO THE SIDELINE. HIS PICK TO GET OPEN MADE TB'S "PICK" LOOK LIKE PATTY CAKE. EVERYONE HAS A BAD DAY BUT LOOK AT THE CALLS. TOO ONE SIDED FOR THE PATS TO HOLD ON. THE COLTS PLAYED WELL TO COME BACK BUT THEY DID NEED THE REFS HELP TOO.

    I WILL SAY THAT THE HOBBS P.I. WAS CORRECT BECAUSE HE DID FACE GUARD. HE KEEPS HIS HANDS DOWN IT HITS HIM IN THE BACK AND NO FOUL.
    I HAVE TO SAY THE KID REALLY TRIED HARD YESTERDAY AND FOR THE MOST PART, PLAYED WELL AND HAD SOME NICE RETURNS.
    DW Toys

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