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Ok, you're a hypocrite.

And you're a milder version of people shouting for blood in the Roman arena. Glad we don't have to deal with nuances and can just go right for the black and white.

Everyone who doesn't support war but continues to pay taxes in the US is a hypocrite.

Everyone who doesn't support welfare but continues to pay taxes in the US is a hypocrite.

Etc.

It's impossible to advocate for change in policies you dislike in an entity while supporting it in any fashion without being a hypocrite.
 
And you're a milder version of people shouting for blood in the Roman arena. Glad we don't have to deal with nuances and can just go right for the black and white.

Everyone who doesn't support war but continues to pay taxes in the US is a hypocrite.

Everyone who doesn't support welfare but continues to pay taxes in the US is a hypocrite.

Etc.

It's impossible to advocate for change in policies you dislike in an entity while supporting it in any fashion without being a hypocrite.

You apparently don't know what the word "hypocrite" means, despite your telling us to call you one.
 
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The same guy who proposed the 18 game season last year is now attempting to reduce injuries by taking out kickoffs?:confused:
 
The same guy who proposed the 18 game season last year is now attempting to reduce injuries by taking out kickoffs?:confused:

yeah, he is...and stop complaining...he's doing it all FOR US, THE FANS...I heard him say so and I believe him.....
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Goodell is a business suit that doesn't understand the sport. His thinking is mindless and only for legal reasons.

Goodell won't do a single thing the owners don't want him to do.

I continue to be amazed at how people give Goodell all this flak and let the owners off scott-free.
 
The same guy who proposed the 18 game season last year is now attempting to reduce injuries by taking out kickoffs?:confused:

Player safety is a high priority for Goodell.

It is not, however, the highest.
 
Goodell won't do a single thing the owners don't want him to do.

I continue to be amazed at how people give Goodell all this flak and let the owners off scott-free.

I agree, and your right, but does not change the fact that he is incapable of performing his job. But you are very correct that the owners hired him . and are at the root of this. I think.
 
They're not trying to limit contact in general on kickoffs, they're trying to find a way to not have a combined 450-500 lbs of muscle slam together at 40 mph. That may happen once on a fluke play during a game, but it happens at least a half dozen times EVERY kickoff. I'm not sure this solution is the best one, but I can see why they would be mulling over options.
Alrighty. Make kickoffs 9-on-9. That's 4 fewer guys who can get hurt.
 
How about we get rid of kicking the ball off the floor all together.

All TD's worth 7.
You can go for and extra point from the 5, 1 play to score. 1 point.
Punter does kick off out of hand ball must go 20 yards means no on side kicks reduce the risk of a player being hit in A scramble for the ball.
You get 3 points if the QB throws it through the posts. Jermarcus Russell gets a job again too that's win win piss poor QB's have jobs because they can throw it ridiculously far. We have no spot taken up by a kicker punters get more time to practice as they only have to punt and not hold. Long snappers only have 1 kind of long snap to do and improve.

I just don't see anything wrong with that.
 
Would be lame. You would never find guys like Josh Cribbs anymore.
 
Well here is an equally "GOOD" (intentional oxymoron) Ommish Option-Idea

But here's my idea. Instead of this fourth and 15 stuff, I mean you still got contact. If you start the game fourth and 15 on the 30, you still punt. Still contact. Still a possibility for concussion and then murder and suicide. We want to eliminate that. So, I think what the NFL ought to do is put portable bowling alleys on the sideline at every game and then have the team captain, or whoever's the best bowler on the team, bowl one ball, and you get three points {yards} for every pin knocked down. So the team captain goes out there and rolls one ball down the bowling lane.

If you knock down seven pins, you start at the 21 yard line. No contact. And therein you have given a whole new reason for bowlers to attend NFL games. Imagine the excitement, something you couldn't capture at home even on high definition, the excitement of the team captain in full uniform bowling. And after every touchdown the team captain would bowl again to find out where the team starts from. And you've saved lives, you've saved countless lives with this, and if you bowl a strike, three points per pin, you're starting at the 30. If you gutter ball, you're starting at your own, you know, one-inch line. Maybe throw a gutter ball, safety, and you do it all over again, who knows. But think of the lives saved, and think of the careers that will be extended.

If it wasn't so SAD THAT THIS IS EVEN A POSSIBLE POINT OF DISCUSSION :bricks:


I would say above is: :singing::singing:
 
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The league's stats on injuries are so incomplete as to be borderline useless here. The issue with kickoffs is more about the small injuries that don't get reported and the players continue to play with, particularly the head injuries. That's what the league is under fire about, the cumulative traumas.

And it is becoming a workplace safety issue in the traditional sense.

I love the teamwork, coordinated effort, strategy, player talent evaluation, stamina requirements, and athletic grace of football.

To quote one of the great truth tellers of our times:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.
Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!
Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying.

In football you wear a helmet.
In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs - what down is it?
Baseball is concerned with ups - who's up?

In football you receive a penalty.
In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick.
In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog...
In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play.

Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.
Football has the two minute warning.
Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end - might have extra innings.
Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden death.

In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there's kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there's not too much unpleasantness.
In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you're capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.

And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:

In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll be safe at home!
 
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If you take away the KO, you take away one of the best risk-reward opportunities in the game, i.e., the Onside Kick that is truly a surprise (see SB XLIV, where the Saints' turned the tide of the game v. the Colts). You also take away the possibility of a KO return, one of the most exciting plays in the game. Losing both of those, to me, is too great a price to pay.

"4th and 15 at the 30" is completely arbitrary. Why not "4th and 20" there or some other combination of "4th and xx" at some other spot?

On the other hand, I'm willing to accept the NFL's stats that suggest there were 50% fewer concussions on KO's last year because of the rule change that moved the spot to the 35 yard line. Whether this was due primarily to fewer returns or to the reduced "head start" of the coverage team, I'll leave to people who are smarter than me.

So, why not maintain the concept that the Kicking Team retains possession at the current spot after a TD, with a potential "Risk Reward" trade-off. The team could then choose to give the ball to their opponent at its own 20 or kick off and either attempt an Onside Kick or see if they can stop the receiving team short of the 20.

This would reduce the number of KO's, without eliminating them; teams would "game" this, of course, by Kicking Off randomly so the Receiving Team would never know whether they were going to execute a straight KO or attempt an Onside kick. Let's face it, since SB XLIV, smart teams now play for an Onside Kick every time their opponent is kicking off anyway.
 
I think it's funny that BB was the one who said eliminating Kick Offs would remove too much of the game...that if you what to eliminate a pointless part of the game for safety reasons, eliminate the extra point...

The EXACT play where Gronk got injured...maybe the league should listen to him!!!
 
Hmm wants an 18-game season but decries kickoffs for causing too many injuries... I hate Goodell. There's really not much else to say.
 
My biggest problem with it is that it would be way too easy to convert a 4th and 15. Maybe if it was 4th and 30.
 
Hmm wants an 18-game season but decries kickoffs for causing too many injuries... I hate Goodell. There's really not much else to say.

Well to be fair if you eliminate contact then there is no risk in playing two extra games. With no contact maybe we can get 162 of these things.
 
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