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  1. Armchair Quarterback

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    As reported by NFLN.

    Goodell is such a tool.
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    I'm not that surprised. That's why I've been asking for him to review the spygate case. We could get our first rounder back.
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    I've always wondered how Spygate would have played out if Tagliabue were still the commish and this just makes me wonder even more.
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    It probably would never have been an issue with Tags. Tags went off the rails a time or two, but he was generally an even keeled guy at the top when it came to discipline issues. Goodell, on the other hand, is a dictatorial clown who doesn't understand that you don't need to use a nuke to kill a fly.
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    Taggs is still alive? I say give him what EVER he wants to come back as commish and replace that fool goodell
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    Goodell is such a ridiculous assclown. Whatever, more ammo for us in pointing out how massively overblown Spygate was. It almost entirely Goodell flexing muscle, and he's now proven that he does so even when there's no justification for it.
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    Tags is like the jury that equitted OJ.
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    Even if the matter was ever re-visited and Tags said the Patriots did nothing wrong, it wouldn't matter to the mediots and other fans. They would still hate us . We are the big bad wolves of the NFL and they all love to hate this organization. Everyone will find something else to complain about!! ( I was going to use another word, but I think the mods might get upset)
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    Makes you wonder what happened to the tens of thousands of pages of evidence that Goodell claimed he had...
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    With Tagliabue, Use-of-Camera-in-Unauthorized-Location-Gate would have been properly adjudicated with a stern lecture and a fifth round draft pick. Commsioner Blockhead turns everything into a kangaroo court, clumsily administering his own rough justice without any semblance of a reasonable fact finding process or any sense of proportion or fairness. Tagliabue's decision is in fact testimony to Roger's rank incompetence. If he had any decency at all, he would resign immediately.
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    I remember when those of us railing against Goodell were a miniscule minority. The Goodell love was in full bloom. Today, no matter what team's fans I ask about him, he's almost universally reviled. This guy's fall from grace has been amazing.
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    I don't even think he would have gone that far. He'd have understood it's something everybody has been doing for 50 years.
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    Only it's not. Pay for play among players is a longstanding violation of the CBA that is hard to police. A bounty program run through the coaches is another whole kettle of fish. And lying about it just added to the stench. There are thousands of former players now suing the league over it's lack of concern for safety.

    And FWIW Tagliabue found ample evidence that Vilma offered a bounty. He just disagreed with the punishment imposed. He would have fined them all. Of course he would. He docked Denver mid level draft picks for deliberately subverting the cap twice on the road to two rings.
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    You misunderstood his post. He was talking about spygate.
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    You mean like all those picks against SF and NYG.

    seriously Drew. too lippy this year. Go back to concentrating on being a great QB.
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    OK. And I agree, Tags would have swept it as far under the rug as he could. Problem is times change. This is the same guy who signed off on a bad deal rather than have a blemish on his resume. The owners wanted someone to save them from themselves going forward and part of that was becoming the hanging judge who manhandled coaches and players and rogue owners into line for the long term greater good. We were made an unfortunate example, but like Kraft said, what a shmuck to put yourself in that position over something so meaningless.

    A lot more players by their silence supported what Goodell did to NO than opposed it, for a reason... And that includes what he did to their peers. Because it's not coaches out their making plays...
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    I don't know where you're getting your info on the players, so I can't contest that. I can tell you that, to a man, every NFL player that I've ever spoken to about Goodell thinks he's a joke. Now, I grant that it's a small sample size (fewer than 40 players), but their disdain for him has been universal.
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    Tags is like the cop who plays favorites and fixes tickets. Goodell is like the cop who goes by the book.
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    His own book which he seems o make up as he goes along. Hes an idiot, hes steadily ruining the game. Up next lets get rid of kick offs.
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    Goodell comes off as pretty good in the report. The report savages the Saints and the players, except for Fujita, whom it exonerates.

    Much as we hate Goodell for Spygate, I really actually don't have a quarrel with him here after reading the report. Freaking Vilma offered a bounty on quarterback. He can say whatever he wants, but the report cuts him to pieces. Tagliabue's view is that this doesn't warrant the suspension he received, because the coaches and team had created the environment and there's not enough precedent for suspensions, because the hits themselves are not suspendable.

    I disagree. We all watched what happened when a guy deliberately goes for your QB's knee -- it puts a guy like Brady out for a year. I understand the league didn't have the stomach for litigation. I wish they had. A player who offers $10k to his teammates to put a QB on a stretcher should be suspended in my view. Call me crazy, but that's how I see it. Yes, the punishments were unprecedented, but you have to start somewhere.

    I guess Tagliabue realized these guys have already missed lots of games, so it's time to close the book. I can live with that, I suppose. But hearing Vilma go on tv and claim he's been "exonerated" is really going to **** me off. If there were a genuine dispute whether he really did it, I would feel differently, but Tagliabue cuts him to the core. He's a scumbag as far as I'm concerned and deserves everything he got.
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    Aside from a vocal minority, few players had much to say and quite a few were incensed that their peers would do something like this. Eli was pretty outspoken. Didn't hear any other leaders coming out one way or the other because while they may have been conflicted on principle (commissioner authority) they were also conflicted in practice. And certainly didn't see widespread unrest among the 1200 or so players in the league over Bountygate punishment.

    I do think you and I often speak or listen to a totally different segment of society so it's likely the same where interpretation of football's best interests are concerned.
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    He's more like a jury who is allowed to pass sentence. Sure, he may have an understanding of what's against the law, but he seems to deal out punishment based on emotion and not anything consistent or official.

    That's really my only problem with Goodell himself. His punishments feel too arbitrary, and I think that might be what got him in trouble in this case. Everything else he does is either brought about by the NFL's need to prepare for coming health lawsuits, or is being dictated to him by the owners.
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    The only reason I'd disagree on Fujita was because he got dinged because he was a freakin' NFLPA rep and on that basis alone he knew better and should have been the voice of reason. But warrior that he was he didn't have the stones to stand up against purportrating a clear violation of the CBA and NFL By-Laws.
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    Society has nothing to do with this. This is about how the NFL players feel regarding Goodell.

    As far as society goes, I associate with the full range of society below "the elites", and I have for pretty much all of my life, so I'm not sure where you were going with that.
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    Looks like Vilma's lawyer still intends to pursue the defamation lawsuit.
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    Yeah, I was talking about 'spygate'.
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    Here’s the full quote from Tagliabue’s ruling, with emphasis added:

    “The record includes PowerPoint slide presentations made by the Saints’ coaching staff to Saints’ players following the Saints’ victories in 2009 season playoff games against the Arizona Cardinals (with quarterback Kurt Warner) and the Minnesota Vikings (with quarterback Brett Favre). Several of these presentations are very graphic and suggest that the aim of the Saints’ defense was to injure these quarterbacks. For example, one slide set following the game against the Cardinals includes a photo of Kurt Warner lying on the ground with a caption: ‘SO WE WILL JUST DESTROY EACH QUARTERBACK LEAVING EACH TEAM WITHOUT A FIELD GENERAL! ONE DOWN TWO QB’S TO GO!’ . . . . Another slide set from after the NFC Championship game again includes photos of Kurt Warner lying on the field with a caption of ‘BOO ******* HOO MISSION ACCOMPLISHED VS. WARNER AND FAVRE’; and the next slide includes photos of Brett Favre being helped off the field and of his bruised and bandaged ankle and leg, with a caption of ‘ONE MORE QB TO GO!!!!‘”


    Tagliabue’s ruling suggests Saints were targeting Peyton Manning, too | ProFootballTalk

    Whoa.
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    This whole Tags circus was a huge CYA for Goodell. I hope Vilma wins and wins big - then he goes after Goodell civilly.
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