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  1. dannydyn

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    Ah, man, that still stinks. Thanks for the link though - -I thought I heard Steve Burton say on TV this a.m. the break was in a different spot than the previous one, but wasn't sure.

    I'd bet he could have gone 200 plays without landing just right to make that happen. Instead, bam .. one play.
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    It had to be related, though. Didn't he have the break put together with hardware?
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    just not his year...unlucky and sucks but happens in the NFL..will be back strong next year then him and ahern can finally be on the field together
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    Ughhhhh, as someone with a big plate in my arm, I've always worried about this crap happening.
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    Absolutely... he could have gone to win the Superbowl, and break his forearm in the off-season, hand-spinning one of his porn star girlfriends.... :) But, no, it had to be on his first reception attempt of the post season.... :(

    Hope this double-fracture doesn't compromise his playing abilities down the road. :(
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    It's unquestionably related; the new injury was essentially caused by the earlier repair. But it wasn't a matter of timing or "rushing him back." He was healed, he just happened to fall in exactly the wrong way.
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    From what I've read it WAS related. The repair and cast results in increased stress points further down the arm. It's simple physics.

    I guess the nature of the reports is to affirm that Gronk wasn't brought back "too early" per se - just the dumb luck of landing on his arm the way he did caused a new break.

    None of that really matters to the team - they'll have to do a better job overcoming his loss than they did last year. And this year their added depth gives them a much better chance of doing that.
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    Actually this news is more disconcerting. It makes it seem like this will always have to be something we will need to worry about with him.
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    No......

    “But ultimately, he’s going to end up with an arm that’s normal and functioning normal for him.”

    So just the opposite of that.
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    Are they gonna take out that brace later?
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    Gronk needs to drink his milk.
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    Not just increased stress points, the bone beyond the fracture weakens during the healing process as the body focuses on rebuilding the area of the fracture at the same time lack of use is causing atrophy .

    Not sure that forearm will ever be trustworthy again, if it ever was. And certainly not until both plates are removed. Which wouldn't be advisable for a year or so and requires another procedure that poses it's own short term risks (removing screws that will leave holes in bone that will have to fill in again and heal over time.

    Gronk by nature lands hard and like that a lot. Color me concerned about Gronk going forward, period.
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    Ultimately as in if nothing else transpires. Ultimately as in eventually. If he is still playing with a plate in his arm next season or if he has them both removed (which the literature suggests would be early) he will not have a functional normal for him arm for some time. If you wrap him in bubble wrap next season he might be functionally normal in 2014.
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    He needs Adamantium.
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    Given that he didn't land in any specifically "bad" way, it's hard to believe this is just a freak thing.

    Which means the arm will always be bad, unless as a previous poster said, the arm will be weaker where it wasn't broken for a while but then possibly strengthen?

    I wonder if the plan is to remove this plate thing eventually, or just leave it in forever. What is the standard procedure for such a thing?

    GIven that he'll have about 6-7 months to heal before contact, will that make a break like this one less likely next year?

    If heh has to wait for a year to take out the plate (if it is protocol to remove such a thing), then he has to play all of next year with it in.

    Given that he didn't seem to do much in the initial break, I wondering if there isn't something bigger wrong here.

    Hope not.
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    So, if Gronk didn't break the same bone the original break should be doing very well, right? And Gronk was practicing 2 or 3 weeks after his last surgery if I remember correctly, right? Super Bowl is almost 3 weeks away...just saying.
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    Maybe we can have him install a bionic arm like Ray Lewis.
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    Rodney Harrison suffered a multiple arm fracture in 2003 SB and never broke it again during a game.

    The surgery/pins compromised the strength of the bone.

    He needs rest and time for the bones to heal fuse completely.

    Hes not elderly so osteoporosis should not be a concern. :p
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    The CSNNE article quoted the "source" as saying that when they did surgery on the arm yesterday for the new break, the original break was all healed and intact.
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    It might be a good idea for Gronk to practice playing more conservatively, or learning to roll/fall (martial arts?) He might just be too damn athletic for someone that size/weight.

    It's about production, not about fantastic athleticism. Learning to be as productive while not putting himself at risk as much (I'm thinking about the self imposed piledriver/flip from last year) might be a maturing process on the way to a long, productive career.
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    So how long does it usually take for the arm to go back to normal and the increased risk for re-fracture goes away?
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    The title of the article is a huge leap from what the doctors in that article saying.

    Curran's source is probably someone close to Gill, naturally there is going to be a bias in the doctor's favor. Just as with the Red Sox stuff, when something goes wrong medically, there's a lot of crap thrown out there.
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    What, exactly, are you saying?
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    "It could've broken the same way in 3 years" line is PR spin from someone close to the doctor. Bank on it.

    Either that or we've come across the first career threatening broken arm...
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    Gronk is no Goody Two Shoes.

    Regards,
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    This seems to me to be far more alarmist than is called for. "Not sure that forearm will ever be trustworthy again?" Based on what? From everything doctors are saying, this clearly seems to be fluky.

    The only thing I would question (as someone who isn't a doctor) is the benefit of the plate, if it merely creates greater weakness elsewhere in the arm. Set the fracture, let it heal. Done. But I don't see any reason to be colored concerned or otherwise going forward.
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    I gotta love all the negative speculation from long time posters who have, suddenly, become medical experts.

    Personally, I don't understand why they used a plate instead of using a titanium rod down the length of the bone. The rod would have made it much less likely for any further damage. I also don't understand why the plate didn't run the entire length of the bone to ensure that something like this wouldn't happen. Especially if they know that the plate creates a weak spot in the bone right at the end of the plate.

    People saying that Gronk didn't land all that hard really don't know what they are talking about. You had a 270 lb man go 5 or 6 feet into the air and come down with nearly his entire weight on his arm. That's a lot of force even with that protective sleeve on it.

    Finally, I hope that the surgery to fix the new break was done differently so that the bone isn't compromised further. I want to see Gronk on the sidelines for the big one after the Pats take care of business this weekend.
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