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  1. Rob0729

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    He we go:

    1. It wasn't pretty on offense today, but they got it done when it mattered. Brady just seemed off today. I don't know if he was thinking of Gisselle and impending fatherhood or not, but he missed a lot of wide open receivers today. His INT was Sanchez-like.
    2. Granted the rest of the offense had its issues. Too many receivers falling down and running bad routes. The o-line was really down three starters with Mankins not making the trip, Connolley going out quickly, and Vollmer looking like a shadow of himself (reports before the game he looked to be in so much pain that people didn't think he would play). In the end they all stepped up for the most part.
    3. Kudos to Trevor Scott. We see now what the Pats' like in him. Two sacks including the strip sack that Wilfork recovered the ball. Both Cunningham and Jones gone and the defense seemed better than it was a few weeks ago.
    4. Still concerned about the consistency of the secondary. Both Arrington and Talib were up and down all game. Both made some great plays and really bad ones. Luckily Tannenhill and his receivers couldn't capitalize on them and Arrington got away with a facemask call that would have been huge.
    5. Liked seeing the defense carry the offense in a game. The Dolphins' offense isn't great. So we cannot get too excited, but the defense kept the Pats in the league when the offense stalled. Definitely could help build confidence in the defense going into the playoffs.
    6. I don't buy this was a trap game and the Pats were looking past the Dolphins. I give the Dolphins' defense a lot of credit. They are a good unit and they gave Brady fits at time taking advantage of the Pats' makeshift o-line (something the Jets couldn't do).
    7. Congratulations to the Pats on yet another division title. Hopefully, this is the first of many hat and T-Shirts they earn for the 2012-2013 season.
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    after being in cold weather for X amount of weeks, going down to warm miami weather always throws things off a bit.
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    Man, there were a ton of dropped balls by the Pats. Brady was off but the they almost seemed afraid to run the ball until the very end. Good game to have before a big game against a much better team.
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    I forgot to mention the dropped balls. Both Welker and Hernandez had big dropped ball non-catches. Welker's would have been a TD.
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    Personally, I am happy the Pats ground out a win against a TOUGH defense. Pats have two more tough defenses to play the next two weeks. These 3 games and the last one again with Dolphins will battle test the Pats and help them primed up for the playoffs.
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    Yeah the Dolphin's defense are no slouches. Sure their Secondary isn't the hottest but that Front 7 is pretty damn mean. And they have a lot of depth to boot. There's nothing wrong with a good win on the road in the division in the month of December.
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    I am not trashing the win. Good win against a team that usually plays teams tough even when they lose. Most of their games have been won or lost by 3-4 points this season.
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    Nothing wrong with that win at all. I only see positives.

    A patchwork offensive line gave Brady a reasonable amount of time in spite of some great rushes from Wake et al.

    Pass heavy at the beginning but we ran when it counted - how can you not love that last drive?

    Some drops and some bad throws and one pretty great INT - these are things that historically-speaking, we don't see a lot of so I'm looking at them as aberrations.

    Loved our defense today. Some big plays given up but they were stout, forced 3 fumbles and only let them in the endzone once. They aren't perfect but they were somewhere between mediocre and good which is a world of improvement from just a few weeks ago.
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    I wasn't saying you were. I was actually re-enforcing your belief that this was a good win and not a trap game.
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    Sorry, after being called a doom and gloomer in another threat, I am overly sensitive. :D
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    The guy making a great one-handed pick was a "Sanchez-like" int?
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    Reshad Jones had Hernandez blanketed on that play. Brady should have never thrown that ball. I think that's why he said it was Sanchez-like.
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    Horrible decision by Brady. Hernandez was blanketed and Brady threw it to place only the defender could catch it. That is a Sanchez patented pass.
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    LOL You guys are funny. Hernandez is being paid to beat single coverage. Manning threw a pick into triple coverage today. That was Sanchez like.

    Patchwork OL was a hot mess for much of the day today. Running game was MIA in the first half. Receivers were neither getting seperation nor catching the damn ball... But Brady was a little off. Probably worried about Giselle...LOL

    Edelman went down again. Lloyd's second and most significant catch of the day came on an onsides kick with 35 seconds left. Good thing we still got Welker even if he muffs a TD catch too.
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    I'm utterly confused how this has any bearing on whether Brady should've thrown that ball.
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    Even if Hernandez beat the single coverage, Brady threw the ball to the absolute wrong spot. On a play like that, Brady is supposed to throw it in front or outside of Hernandez so that either he catches the ball or it either goes out of bounds or falls incomplete, but the defender has no clear shot at the ball. Brady threw underthrew it so Jones had a better play on the ball.
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    You're right it was a bad throw but it wasn't a "horrible decision". This is the NFL, QBs throw to covered WRs all the time looking for PI calls. It was just a great play by Jones.
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    Seems like the dolphins play us tough more often than most. Once in awhile we will blow them out, but not today. They are the 2nd best team in the division and that's sad for the Bills considering how much was spent in the offseason.

    As up and down as the 2ndary was today it was still good to see them not get ripped apart for the 3rd week in a row. I always thought if they could play better than average it would be enough to compliment the offense. Now I'm going to up my hopes and settle for them being a good defense by seasons end.
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    Hernandez's first drop was prob going to be a TD as well.
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    Right read not a great throw and nice play by defender.....think we can all agree on that.
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    Scott's sacks were great! Kudos to him for making the most of the opportunity. What really stood out for the DL was the improved rush D performance. Minus the 40 yards of rushing on Miami's long TD drive, there were about 60 Yards allowed with about 3 per rush avg over the other 10 drives. This unit has been porous lately and it would be nice if this game starts a trend back to being stout.

    I think you are nit picking too much on the secondary. Sure, there were some up and down moments for the secondary.....and with the rush D.....and with the pass rush. Yet one of the knocks on the secondary - a deserved one -- is they allow clearly lesser QBs (exactly ones like Tannehill) to become top passers. This did not happen today. They made Tannehill look like Tannehill. Arguably our secondary did as good or better on Tannehill (statistically speaking) than any of the Phins last 4 opponents.
    I like what I saw and have been seeing. A once very porous secondary has multiple games of playing better than their horrid first half of the season.
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    Pats D deserves credit. They held the Phins to 16 points and Tannehill under 200 passing yards, 45% passing, and 0 TDs through the air. That is really quite good. The inexplicable FG drive at the end of the game, well they gave up yards too easy. But at least they only gave up 3 points there.

    Pats offense deserves a lot of credit for the final clock killing drive which used up all of Miami's timeouts, got 3 critical points, and gave the ball back with only 1:45 left on the clock.

    Pats are getting some practice at situations that will be helpful down the road - surviving a test against a tough/tight defense. Running the ball and killing the clock when it counts. Keeping the ball out of the endzone through the air. Defending the onsides kick! All executed pretty well, and a soild foundation for this team to build on heading into the final stretch of the season!
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    Not only was Trevor Scott a revelation, but I thought Kyle Love had his best game of the season also.
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    for those who got to watch the game:

    As somebody who started Bess in fantasy despite thinking BB might focus on stopping him...

    Did that appear to be the case?
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    Regarding the much throw to Hernandez that got picked.

    Calling Brady Sanchez-like is quite the insult and no warranted. You probably have a frustrated Brady (given the o-line, lack of separation and earlier drops). W'e can agree it wasn't a good decision/throw. But sometimes guys are paid to make plays and not have the ball hit them squarely in the numbers and the other guys are paid to make plays too. So cut him some slack as nobody is going to play mistake free for a game or season.

    This was a tough game and probably in typical fashion how many games in the NFL are played/won. Especially since our division foe knew we would clinch the division with a win on their home field. So, they were really going to give it their best shot and play their role of spoiler. They know they're not getting to the superbowl this year and making us lose would be their only happy thought on the season (well that and maybe having a QB who could play at the NFL level -- though more picks than TDs isn't the best of signs of the next coming of Dan Marino).
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    Going into the game with the knowledge that Brady is 0-3 against the Dolphins at home in December, my expectations were tempered...

    It was not flashy, nor will there be any points for style.. but it was a good win, our defense is getting noticeably better... still some communication issues in the d backfield, but as time goes on more and more confidence..
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    Great to see the defense continue to improve. Offense came through in the clutch with 2 reserve guards. Only concerns about the offense are (1) Lloyd's productivity is disappointing (at an important but thin and imbalanced position); and (2) the line started to feel the injuries to Mankins (reinjured while recovering from ACL), Connolly (back), Vollmer (back). I am wondering if one or more of the OL may have chronic injuries and may not be able to return soon, which eventually could force difficult decisions with roster spots. If they sign Branch now (for Edelman's injury), for instance, they will need to create a roster spot. They still have a couple of spots at the end of the roster that they can release, but this strategy has a limit as injured players (Gronk, Jones) take up dead space on the roster. How many can we afford?

    Looking to Mon, with Edelman looking like he will be out for a bit, who will return punts? I am not comfortable with Welker getting 18 targets and doing punt returns.

    Overall a solid win but we need some rapid healing now.
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    I think I am being fair about Talib and Arrington especially Talib. Talib got beat badly on what should have been a long TD pass and another deep ball. At times he would have made Tannehill look like a stud if Tannehill was a more accurate passer.
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    If Sanchez threw the exact same pass in the exact same situation, you would say it was a patented Sanchez INT. It was Sanchez-like IMHO. Doesn't mean Brady is like Sanchez. He just had one really bad pass.
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    You got it Rob...why is Arrington still in our line-up? Talib looked bad against a possession WR can't imagine how he would do against a guy with Great Speed. Talib might need consistent help over the top seriously!
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