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So, ahem, what is the outlook for Safeties in this draft class?

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  1. FredFromDartmouth

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    Safety was not something I was looking at, but it may be time shift things around.

    I suspect that the Patriots are scrambling right now because I doubt they targeted safety very seriously...
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    Not so much, really.
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    :confused: You really think they haven't scouted the safety class? Especially with Meriweather & Sanders both in the last year of their contracts? I'm not concerned about that possibility at all. The real problem is that this safety class is dreadful. If any safety at all is drafted in the top 40 picks, it will be a reach based on need. Unless...

    ...you draft a great big corner instead. The athletes who would have been the elite safeties this year are all entering the draft as corners. I'll take Ras-I Dowling over most of the guys who call themselves safeties.
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    It's a garbage class. Nobody worth a top-50 pick.
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    Add Jalil Brown, but I do like Tyler Stash.
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    Freudian slip there, Box? ;)
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    Well, he was DJK's teammate :lol2:
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    They "tagged" Page and i think he is going to be the future at the position.
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    I'd love to pick up Weddle from the Chargers...what would he cost in terms of picks and money?
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    Weddle received a first round tender from the Chargers, but he will become a unrestricted free agent once a new CBA is finalized, since he's a four year veteran. In terms of money... From the San Diego Tribune:

    Weddle wants to stay, willing to leave - Kevin Acee | San Diego Tribune
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    How about larger CBs that could be converted to S?
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    Aaron Williams from Texas could be a candidate. Mike Mayock is struggling right now to decide if Williams is his 3rd ranked cornerback or his 1st ranked safety. From his Combine profile on NFL.com:

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    Possibly but I suspect that they were more interested in pass rushers and OL'ers.

    Remember that the Patriots only scout certain positions. As far as Safety they were probably targeting lower-round prospects.
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    Hmmm...tackling is the number one skill needed to be a good safety....hmmm
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    I think you're off your rocker.

    Ras-I Dowling
    Jalil Brown
    Cortez Allen

    All larger defensive backs who could make good centerfielders. If you're looking for a more traditional safety, I'd recommend Deunta Williams as an injury special, or Chris Prosinski as a late round gem.
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    Well, he is a willing tackler who can take poor angles in run support. He's like Meriweather. :D
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    I know you are an Iowan, so I'm sure you know the truth about the Sash-quatch. Fantastic kid and athlete, great leader.
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    Their tea is pretty good. :snob:
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    Do you have a source for this statement? I've never heard anything of the kind.
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    If the Pats scout punters (Mesko last year) then I'm guessing they scout safeties too.

    If you're implying they're spending more time this year scouting positions other than safety because there is a bigger need at other positions, then I can see that - up to a point. But since part of Belichick's philosophy is 'we want our 10th player to be better than their 10th player, we want our 25th to be better than their 25th', etc., then I am confident that there is at least some scouting done on safeties too - despite this draft class being very weak at that position.

    Just because some draft expert says there are no safeties worth drafting in the first three rounds, it's not as if the Pats are going to read that and say 'well let's not waste our time scouting any safeties this year'.
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    UDFA's ....... that's about it......


    not worth using a pick on anyone since they would not be any kind of upgrade any time soon.....

    better off using that pick as bait to move up earlier in the draft
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    According to Patriot Reign, scouts are tasked with producing reports on every draft-eligible player they watch. [Yes, there are certain players the Pats spend more time on (e.g., Vollmer, Edelperson).]
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    Good call....I believe #33 would work. There is your top 50 safety in this Draft class who is pretty good as well.
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    He can't be traded now, and once there's a new CBA, he should be a UFA (since he has four years under his belt).

    So there's no point at all in coughing up any draft pick for him. Plus $7M/yr seems a bit steep, if that's what it takes.
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    Then Michael Holley is also since that is where I got it from. It was in Patriots Reign.

    As far as being off my rocker that is quite possible but not on this point.
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    They scouted punters since they needed a punter. I am pretty sure they did not spend any time this year on punters.
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    I'm pretty sure they did. Scouting reports on youngsters NE does not expect to draft has value beyond the immediate draft day expectations, it's part of the file used to prepare for an opponent ... and you never know when Zoltan is going to awaken in a suite in Las Vegas next to some poor hooker he wore out and find his actions exceeded the Kraft family's good will. Be prepared Boy Scout. :)
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    I would think they scout all positions, seems like every year they pick up someone that was drafted a couple of years prior and we always hear "The Pats were interested in this guy during the draft process".

    Now they may concentrate more on a given position of need in any given year, but would rank all prospects. This would also help them figure out what they think other teams may be picking.


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    #12 Jersey

    The pure safety draft is very weak this year, but it doesn't mean that New England can't move a physical bigger CB to safety, ala Allen of the Citadel as a late round/UDFA draftee.
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