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  1. Yorkshire Patriot

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    #22 Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
    #44 Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
    #47 Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
    #52 Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati

    A solid mock overall with useful comments throughout. Thoughts?
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    Looks fine to me. I'm sure there are other people on the board that I preferred, as well as everybody else, but I think most of us would find this an acceptable haul.

    On the whole though, the mock falls apart at #18. I can't imagine a smart-drafting, money-conscious team like Pittsburgh spending a two #1 picks in three years on the RB position.
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    Not bad, Id take it. For me, Id make a slight change. Id go with:

    #22 - Odrick, DE, Penn State
    #44 - Sapp, OLB, Clemson
    #47 - Damian Williams, WR, USC
    #53 - Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona

    Draft Countdown - 2010 NFL Mock Draft
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    trade out of 22 for a 2nd and 3rd & take Odrick, Misi, Saffold, Norwood Gilyard
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    You think Odrick is going to be available where in the second round?
    After the way he showed at the Senior bowl and the Combine, there is a decent chance he will be gone before #22!

    After Suh & McCoy, the only DTs that rate a 1st rd grade are D. Williams and J. Odrick. There are more teams switching to the 3-4, and Odrick is a prototype DE. Honestly, I have my fingers crossed that he is still there at 22.

    There aren't that many 3-4 DE's available and there is a large drop-off after Odrick.
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    I was looking at the Lindy's draft magazine mock draft and they have us taking Sapp at #22.

    It says Sapp compares with Ware. But it also says Sapp had only 7.5 sacks in his college career. What am I missing?
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    I'd say that Brian Price earns a 1st round grade. I see him going to the Colts.

    Mount Cody is also a borderline 1st rounder at NT. I could see some team taking him if they aren't concerned about his weight.

    I think the chance of Odrick reaching round 2 are slim to none.
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    There is a lot of talk in San Diego about Mount Cody going to the Chargers.

    In my perfect world, BB goes up and gets Suh, and manages to keep all three second rounders.

    But if that does not happen, I would love for BB to take Mt. Cody at #22.
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    I love it.
    I just hope we don't trade back 2 of the first 4 picks and miss out on TOP talent this year.
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    This is a great draft. I just don't think that it will fall this way.

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    Bingo! On all 3 counts you are found agreeable as charged, until proven otherwise in a court of public opinion.

    Especially on point # deux : the large land mass know as Cody. I see him going to Chargers. By the way, most mocks have them going RB in first round in a deep talented draft pool of RB's. But where is the NT for their 3-4? Smarter if they went NT with first round (Dan Williams or Cody) and then RB in 2nd or 3rd. Naturally - as they are the enemy, I hope they don't get a franchaise NT.

    As far as the thread, I would be quite satisfied with a draft like that.

    P.S. Thanks Pats for re-signing VW. It took alot of dead presidents, but he was overdue (from rookie contract). I am Sooooo glad NEP don't have to look for a new NT, or CB. Now only 5 other holes to fill but thats why there is a draft after all.
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    gilyard seems a bit frail, but not a scenario....not a big fan of gresham

    given the way this draft scenario plays out, I would not mind:

    22 - OLB brandon graham
    44 - RB jahvid best
    47 - OLB ricky sapp
    53 - DE tyson alualu

    and then go after a TE later.....maybe move up into the 3rd and get jimmy graham
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    Do Best's concussions not worry you? I would rather Spiller than Best but we couldnt get him in the 2nd as he'd be long gone, but the more I see of Odrick the more I want BB to get him on this team. Koa Misi would also be a good pick up to plug in with Mayo if they don't like what they see from McKenzie.
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    I could see that as a flag......fine......take TE gronkowski instead and get RB ben tate in the 4th or move up wherever to get him

    I think misi could take a little time since he spent most of college playing with his hand on the ground which is why I would prefer sapp......I like misi, too tho.......but I'd jump on SD st ILB danny batten to push the inside guys
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    You'll get no complaints from me with those picks
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    Scott seems to really like my man Maurkice; he has him going to the Bungles at 21.

    My choices would be, based on who is still available in his mock:

    22 - OLB Brandon Graham (or maybe Jerry Hughes)
    44 - WR Damian Williams
    47 - DE Corey Wootton
    53 - CB Kareem Jackson (or maybe Chris Cook)
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    Wooten? What position is he going to play? He's not going to play OLB, and he's 25lb shy of DE. He, along with Dunlap, have no position on this team. They are both 4-3 DE's.


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    I would be thrilled if it would play out that way. I can do without Gresham, but otherwise that draft is awesome.
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    That is an extremely solid draft.
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    Best mock I've seen from somebody who doesn't post here.
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    I would be surprised if Cody isn't drafted in the first round. He's down to 249 and expects to lose another ten before the draft. My guess is San Diego. As so many have said, they can wait for their running back.



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    I'd look at this a little different.

    I have no problem with Odrick or Graham at #22. I think you can get a very serviceable 3-4 DT/DE later in the draft.

    With the 1st pick in rd 2 I'd go with Rodger Saffold OT
    Sapp at # 47 is fine.
    Gronkowski TE with 53 or trade down (say 71 and 92).
    TE is not a big part of this offense.

    I like Gilyard alot and wouldn't be upset if he was taken with #53. I like Koa Misi better than Sapp right now and if you could pick up a RB like Ben Tate with those extra picks I think that would be the best bet!
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    I thought that Wootton was more of a 280-pounder than the 270 he weighed at the Combine. My bad; 280 would've been very close to what Jarvis Green weighed for the 2002 draft, but 270 is too far away from being an effective gatepost at 3-4 DE.

    I still don't think that Odrick is enough of a difference-maker to warrent #22 overall. How about Tyson Alualu instead of Wootton, then? My concern with him, though is his lack of height. Does he have the long arms to compensate?
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    I think he would be a much better 4-3 UT than a 3-4 End.
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    Cousins,
    Can anybody tell me why the love for Ordick? I don't even see him in the top two rounds. His only value is that he is probably the only real Tech 5 DE besides Wooten in the top 100. He seems Mike Wrightish.
    Please someone tell me why he is the cats pajamas?
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    odrick is bigger faster and stronger than mike wright.....

    I personally believe the point moot since I think he won't get past the steelers at #18.....4 of their DL's are in the 30's......they need someone to groom opposite ziggy hood
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    I'm with you. I expect Odrick to be drafted early, certainly by 18 as you say. DW thinks that he won't be drafted until the 3rd. I think someone else yesterday has us drafting him in the second. We'll see who's right.

    Odrick would be a major upgrade over Wright. If he's there, I don't see Belichick hesitating, given his history of using the 1st round for defensive linemen when there is a need.

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    I think Odrick could be as good as Warren, and the Pats drafted Warren #13 overall. Depending on how the draft falls, Odrick may or may not make it to pick #22. He won't get to the second round though.

    Although I compared Odrick to Warren, I'm not saying they are similar types of players, I'm saying they offer similar quality. Odrick is more of a disruptive force, whereas Warren is more of a stay at home lane clogger.

    Odrick has the versatility to move up and down the DL and play different positions. Which is why I think he can make the adjustment to being a 3-4 defensive end. Check out this article here to find out more. I like the fact that he is used to playing against double teams, because teams feel they NEED TO DO THAT to contain him.

    Spencer: Well look at it this way. If a team was watching you on film, how would they game plan against you?

    Odrick: Double team me. I think that’s one thing. I’m the type of player that commands a double team. I guess that’s one thing I would write down if I was a scout. There’s not many times throughout a game that I’m not double team. There wasn’t many times throughout my whole Senior season. I think I’m the type of player that left in single blocking, I’m gonna disrupt plays or go make a play. So I’d probably have to say that.


    http://draftbreakdown.com/interview-jared-odrick

    If there's no Odrick or gamebreaking offensive player available at #22, I'd go straight to the TRADEBACK PLAN. :)

    That does make a lot of sense. I remember as I was going through my mock draft earlier, that a LOT of teams seemed to have a need at DT or NT, but there just weren't a lot of guys available who fit the bill. This could push Defensive Tackles up early in the draft. Guys who might have been more like early 2nds in other years might be 1st rounders this year.

    I had Dan Williams going top 10 for example. He is very talented, granted, but would he be in the top 10 if not for need? Terrence Cody has some questions that could have pushed him down to the 2nd in most years, but it looks like he could rise back into the 1st after he cut some weight at the Combine. Similarly guys like Alualu and in particular 330 lber Cam Thomas are likely to have their stock rise to at least early 2nd because they could fill that big 'run stopper' up front need.

    Alualu
    http://www.fieldgulls.com/2010/2/11/1306429/cal-loses-but-tyson-alualu-wins

    Cam Thomas
    http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=4644
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    Odrick is Penn State, right? I seem to remember some big old busts among the linemen coming out of Penn. Aaron Maybin at 11 is last year's Penn Bust. Jimmy Kennedy at 12 also. How about Tamba Hali at 20; not sure if he was a bust but I don't remember his name in lights.

    Then one of my favs Blair Thomas at 2 since he went to the Jets.

    Of course some good players have come out of Penn such as Posluszny but you have to wonder about some of the linemen...
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    ...and don't forget twin PSU busts Courtney Brown & LaVar Arrington, too.

    Be afraid of Jared Odrick, be very afraid...
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