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Roster Projections: Reiss, Rodak, Yates Unanimous: No Fullbacks make it

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    Was looking at some early projections with the addition to Demps and found it interesting that neither Reiss, Rodak, or Yates felt they'd keep a fullback:

    New England Patriots 53-man roster projection (v 3.0) - ESPN Boston

    Considering their previous use of O-linemen, linebackers, d-linemen, etc. as a lead blocker, I guess to a certain extent I understand it. Was reading another article (I forget where it was) where they talked about the fact that one of the reasons you don't really see fullbacks anymore is because of the need for depth at skill positions due to injuries that happen during the season - which obviously makes sense. But considering some of the initial projections it's interesting to get that point of view as well.
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    I kind of hope they're right, I feel like FB in today's NFL only warrants a roster spot if they're elite, especially on a team like this with so many competitive spots and close calls elsewhere on the roster.
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    How long was the heyday of the pure blocking Sam Gash style FB anyway?

    If you go back to Sam Cunningham or Larry Csonka, those guys were serious ball carriers.

    Let alone Steve Belichick ... :)
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    Longer than you think.

    Rocky Bleier and Brian Piccolo among others didn't get many carries as I recall.
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    I wouldn't be surprised to see Connolly doing a bunch of it. It seems that he's not a part of the center competition at all (Wendell seems to have already won), leaving him the role of keeping Waters' spot warm until he gets back. Then he's the 4th interior OL.
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    Looking through it, they seem to be consistent on:


    • All 5 RBs
    • 0 FBs
    • 6 WRs, so one of Gaffney/Branch/Stallworth is cut
    • Wendell, McDonald, and Thomas all make it
    • Light on the Heavies
    • Heavy on the LBs. Tarpinian and Koutivides both make it; White is cut.
    • Dennard gets IRed
    • 5 safeties, including Ebner, 1 of Barrett/Ihedigbo, but not Allen

    Also, they have positive feelings about Francis, Rivera, and Cole, and negative ones about Koppen.
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    Part of the reason for the unanimous projection is Larsen is injured.
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    Each projection only had two TEs. What happens now that Fells is being activated?
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    What's a fullback?
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    I agree that the FB experiment just didn't pan out. Debatable whether it ever would have but you can't make the club from the tub (unless you're a critical piece of the puzzle).

    Interesting that two out of three have Branch on the roster with Reiss cutting Stallworth and Yates cutting Gaffney. Now they have to figure out what to do with Fells and eventually Waters after already adding Bolden and Demps.

    I'm just gonna wait and see what Bill decides. Going to be some interesting and potentially frustrating decisions that involve balancing valuations between functional depth and established or developmental talent. That proposed short term IR slot would have helped.
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    Any guesses how many of the Patriot cuts get picked up on other teams rosters? I'm sure that there are a few teams salivating waiting for a couple of cuts that they know will be coming.
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    .................:cool:

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    No kidding!

    Of course it used to be the guy who blocked for the RBs and caught passes as well.

    Now, in Belichick's system, everyone can be a blocker on any given play.
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    The fullback is the appendix of the NFL. Like the appendix in the human body, the fullback once served a purpose but no one is really sure what it was. And like the appendix, you only notice a fullback when he fails like John Conner did last night.
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    It is surprising that all three guys don't have Waters on the roster and accept that he might be holding out and not returning. Both Reiss and Rodack give equal weight to the uncertainty of Vollmer as Waters in their analysis, but both have Vollmer making the final 53 man roster and not Waters.
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    Actually Bleier was the HB and Franco Harris was the FB. Piccolo didn't play very long, but did get a good share of carries too.
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    I didn't know they were going to IR him again next year.
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    I think it's something that you have to give some serious consideration to, as there just hasn't been anything leaked yet that would give us concrete evidence to the contrary--just rumors and personal opinions.

    Even if that makes Joker call those who question the return of Waters as "chicken littles." ;)

    I hope that they'd cave a bit in this case, although we don't know what the demands may be either.

    Then again the whole intact locker, no number issued, etc all point to his potential return at the same time.

    This has been a very mysterious development of the offseason, that's for sure.
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    Call me crazy, but I can't see them carrying only two TEs. I'm gonna go on a limb and say both Fells and Shiancoe make the team too, and they carry only five wides and one less lineman.
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    The "no fullback" consensus is easy because they've all been injured.
    It's only been one preseason game. Let's see what happens after four.
    The Patriots went out and signed a bunch of fullbacks, so there was clearly some interest.
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    Two half backs mooshed together.
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    I don't understand the Bolden love. I don't remember seeing him doing much to distinguish himself against the Bengal scrubs. If its a given that Demps is going to make the team, then I don't see Bolden on the initial 53 - 4 RBs are enough. I can see the possibilities of us adding a FB to that mix, but unlikely given the needs elsewhere.
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    Probably because he played against the Saints:D
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    I don't see the Bolden hype either. certainly a PS candidate but I just didn't see anything from him against the Saints.

    The fact Kettani had his position changed to FB basically tells me they have every intention of carrying one...they wouldn't go to the trouble otherwise and just cut losses with the injuries there.

    Kettani had a knock but if he can stay healthy and prove some worth at the position, no reason why he shouldn't make it.

    Same thing with Fells...I think they envision taking a 3rd TE otherwise there would have been no point in activating him off of PUP.

    So a 3rd TE and a FB seem like certainties.

    Demps by no means a lock. Don't get the hype. He's lighter than he should be from Olympic prep, fumbled a lot in college and has missed the entire draft process...so we need to see if that has stunted his growth in any way. There is absolutely no room for him and Woodhead together...we'd be wasting a roster spot by taking both and they should ideally be in direct competition with one another.

    I'm with the line of thinking that Koppen misses out, especially if Waters does return. We won't carry more than 9 OL....if we only carry 8 then someone like Thomas might find himself expendable too if waters does return.

    For now, I have a spot open for Cole on the DB chart (giving me 10 in total) but if Waters does return, I think we will scrap a DB for him to fit in.
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    I would rather carry 4 TE's than 3TE and a FB, a TE can be flexed into the backfield to provide blocking as needed or bu put in motion to block for a running play (remember D Graham and his wham blocks?).
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    I prefer this possibility:

    LT-LG-Wendell-Connolly-RT > LT-LG-Connolly-[any avail. RG]-RT

    to the possibility that Wendell has actually beaten out Connolly, who was the starting center all of last season.

    If/When Waters returns, I have a hard time thinking it'll be Wendell-Waters instead of Connolly-Waters.
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    I don't see any way that both Branch and Schiancoe make it. I would expect Donald Thomas to make it instead of Branch; 8 OL with the questions, is too few.

    Personnally, I would prefer Bolden over a FB. Ridley already has a knee injury, without him, there are no "bangers" among the group; it would truly be a RBBC in that case.

    A TE or Connolly as a FB on occasion?
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    I agree. Looking at the cap numbers Branch is the highest paid WR opposite of Gaffney and Stallworth. Stallworth is making peanuts this year when you include bonuses (or lack their of). We might be able to keep Schiancoe and Fells if Fells stays on PUP and no FBs are kept.

    Bolden might even play FB. If you remember BJGE's first year or two he played FB/ST as he worked his way up the ranks. Bolden actually looks more the part anyway.
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