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  1. maverick4

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    Roger Goodell just fined Belichick 500K out of his own pocket, the Patriots 250K, and a 1st round pick, and this is the most ridiculous, short-sighted, cowardly, infuriating, embarassing thing I have seen the NFL do in my entire lifetime of being a football fan. The Broncos cheated the salary cap to keep John Elway and Terrell Davis, a far worse violation, and only lost a 3rd rounder. He may think he's laying down the law, but he's really showing that he's a puppet to an irrational mob, and not his own man. I have lost complete respect for him as an objective, reasonable manager of the league.

    Here's why:

    - With such a harsh statement, he is clearly bringing judgement on the issue of stealing calls, which should not be part of the evaluation of the videotape violation. He is saying that videotaping the sideline for POST-game analysis is sacrilege, but that using lip readers, binoculars, audio surveillance, and other videotaping methods are perfectly legal and okay (and there is evidence of other teams doing these things). It comes off as extremely hypocritical, and also opens a HUGE pandora's box that may drown the league.

    - For the past 7 years, the Patriots have been the class of the league. They won 3 superbowls, drafted well, consistently built a team of unselfish, blue-collar high character men, and were put up as a model franchise. Such a harsh punishment basically implies that the Patriots have been cheating for much longer than just one game, and it puts into question the entire dynasty of the Patriots, and it lets all the Patriot-haters use this as an excuse to explain why we beat them in any game in the past. He is allowing the mob to spit on the hard work of honest players who earned their victories.

    - Goodell completely overvalues the impact of sideline videotaping of defensive calls. If it helped, wouldn't the Patriots offense have been unstoppable over the past 7 years? Wouldn't we have done much better in the 2nd half of nearly every game, including each of the 3 Superbowls? Belichick claims the sideline videotaping is only for post-game analysis, and even if this were not the case, I fail to see how the competitive edge is so much more than what teams already employ (binoculars, lip readers, audio, other video, etc).

    - Finally, and this is most disappointing to me, Goodell is letting the completely biased Competition Committee, as well as rabid media and fan frenzy, influence his decision. He does not take into account that these Patriot haters have an axe to grind, whether it be because they are direct competitors, were put off by Belichick's media interviews, or were jealous/vindictive of past defeats.

    Goodell, you have made a strong statement, which is what you wanted, but it was in the WRONG direction on so many levels.
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    If this is true I agree with you 100%...but it IS short sighted and he has painted himself into a box on this one..By slamming the Patriots, he has made a statement of total hypocrisy of what cheating is...some forms being OK and others not..and will in fact just open teh door to all sort of charges. Het, if you think another team is doing something wrong, drop a dime or two..and see what a fiasco the league will become. A high penalty for another team??
    Wasn't it Peter King who said the Colts do something quite similar?? stakes high..he's set a high penalty..he made the var high..so anything following HAS TO be similar OR he's even more hypocritical.. Follow the mob and see what will happen..No respect for him at all...If it is true..you will have a season of spying charges and cheating charges to deal with...If one thinks that once this door is open it will be shut..I do NOT think so..you are inviting a flood gate of charges...happy swimming in all the dirty water.
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    Belichick effed up. He should accept the consequences for that, even if they're incredibly harsh. By the same token, the NFL will have to live with its decisions. If we find out over a period of time that Belichick is being crucified for widely employed tactics, than the NFL is going to have a black eye worse than Michael Vick or the Cincinatti probation department could ever inflict.

    For the sake of the league, I actually do hope that it stops here, Belichick takes his medicine, and we go back to focusing on the games.
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    All You Yahooos Have To Realize We Are At The Top We Got Caught And We Have To Pay Luckily We Have Multiple Draft Picks It Wont Hurt Us That Bad, Bb Would Of Traded Them Into The Next Draft Anyway, We Are The Example If Bb Didnt Do It We Wouldnt Have To Worry , Goodell Has To Satisfy The League Who Wants To Get Us So Accept It, We Have No One To Blame But Ourselves And I Wouldnt Want Any Other Coach Coaching Us .... Lets Move On And Take It Like Men!!!
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    In conclusion, if he does what you think he should do, then He is a man with his own mind, a great commissioner etc... But if he doesn't do what you think he should do, then he is a puppet, he is gutless, and he is easily influence. Great analysis, how about BB screwed up royally if these rumors are intact true. Yankees fans have nothing on us these past few weeks.
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    Drivel, drivel, we are the Pats, drivel drivel, how could you, drivel drivel, we did nothing wrong, drivel drivel, everyone does it drivel drivel, what do you mean by "tape"? , drivel drivel.......blah blah blah


    Of COURSE he's wrong, because it went against you. EVERYONE IN THE UNIVERSE IS WRONG, SAVE FOR PATTY FAN.
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    Losing any Day 1 pick stings. I think there's been so much flap about this story, that even if Goodell docked us a Round 3 pick, noone in the NFL is going to be videotaping signals anymore. To make the penalty (allegedly) so much worse, is overkill, and punishes all Pats fans along with the perpetrators.
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    Goodell is an idiot. He'll be out of his job by 2010. He has now overblown and overpenalized an issue and the next time someone 'blows the whistle' like Mangini, it will be even more imbalancing.

    The Pats will be the 2008 champs, good luck championing your league Goodell, you idiot.
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    Look, I know that you're just a pathetic troll, trying to vindicate your worthless existence to us, and that you can't NOT post your stupid rantings and ravings, but next time, try to write something coherent, with what most of us like to call "content."
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    I am absolutely furious now. The Broncos cheated the salary cap to keep Elway and Terrell Davis, a far worse violation, and only lost a 3rd rounder.

    Gillette Stadium will be the most dangerously loud and passionate battle ground this year. Mangini, I hope you lose 60-0 when you come into Foxboro.
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    #50 Jersey

    The problem is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. This is worse than what happened to Denver or San Fran when they violated the Salary Cap by tens of millions of dollars.

    How can it stop here? The fact remains that the league CONDONED Miami buying audio tape of the Pats audible calls, yet they give out this harsh punishment. BS. Talk about friggin hypocritical.


    Gooddell proved he's nothing but the Competition Committee's stooge.
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    #50 Jersey

    I knew the KING MORON would be back in here. Listen and try to understand. The Punishment does NOT fit the crime. And, if you had your head anywhere but up your own arse, you'd know that.

    As was said, the league CONDONED lip readers and buying of audio tapes, but they punish THIS?

    The league wasn't nearly as harsh on the Broncos or 49ers regarding their tens of millions in salary cap transgressions. And that was a far more egregious act.
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    The thing Goodell is guilty of is not explaining in detail what exactly happened and how exactly this affected the level playing field and what exactly were the reasons that he decided that this was the apoprpriate punishment.
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    If I am the Pats right now, I would release vids or begin to document this behavior on other teams.
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    good post mav.....sad day in nfl history.....but all this will just make us stronger,........GO PATS.....F" GODdell...!!! F' Mang-GINA!!!
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    Thanks for validating my post with your drivel, drivel, blah blah, broncos are worse, whine, whine......:bricks:
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    #50 Jersey

    Only an imbecile would think that I validated his post. OH, you think that. Thanks for proving MY point.
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    To all those who agree with the title of this thread, get a life.

    It's over, and now we can go back to football. Anyone who's not willing to take responsibility in life is worthless. Don't get into the never-ending debates about whether it was fair, or to what degree the punishment should have been considering that there are probably other offenders or the questions as to how much this act influenced the outcome of the games.

    Yes, there will be much posturing by those affiliated with other teams who will act like this is a terrible thing and hoping that the Patriots remain the only team associated with this mess. It doesn't matter, as people will quickly separate themselves from this whether they participated or not. The main point is that the Patriots did it and got caught in the act.

    The Patriots got caught. Those involved in this act were wrong. Full stop.

    Now, can we get on with the 2007 season????
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    I agree. He should have elaborated and said either this helped New England "cheat" or it was just that they broke the rules. But then again, he is a big fat pus$y...
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    You are right.......there are two things here:

    1) The penalty is very high for a crime that has YET TO BE STATED.....where has GODdell stated exactly what was on that tape and what violations it created? Heck the guy could have been taping the cheerleaders butts for all we know.........NO ONE IS RELEASING that signals were obtained....and we obviously know that they were NOT used during the NY massacre........

    2) GODdell allowed himself to be influenced and coerced into making a very foolish and over-excessive decision against the Pats, and has now set in motion a "ratting out" nightmare that will tarnish his reign as commish.......He allowed the competition committee led by Jeff Fischer (who must be a f'n choir boy the way he is talking) CONTROL the decisions that he made....Yes, BB should be punished for bringing a camera on the field.....this weekend....ANY TEAMS EMPLOYEE WITH A PAIR OF BINOCULARS SHOULD BE ARRESTED and the coach/owner/organization should be dragged through the manure pit all week long for cheating.....and BE PUNISHED in equal measures as the Pats have........make it fair puppet Roger!
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    Um, no. You can step off the bandwagon now and show yourself for the fairweather fan you are.

    No one is saying Belichick isn't guilty of violating a rule, but anyone with a sense of justice wants a punishment to fit the crime. Imagine if you were given a speeding ticket, acknowledged your guilt and awaited the penalty, and then found you were charged with penalties commensurate with a DUI or manslaughter?
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    #50 Jersey

    Nah...why be a rat fink like Mangini? The Pats will say it all on the field this season. That's the way to do it.
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    You're right. I hope karma works itself out, and that the Jets, Colts, Titans, and Chargers get theirs when the time comes.
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    Suggest you read the full post. You started this thread, and you must be one who makes excuses for every mistake you make in life. Be a man and get over it. No bandwagon issues here, as I've been with the Pats since their inception with white footballs on Friday nights.

    Bottom line, it's over and time to enjoy watching this team execute with the talent they've assembled. Nothing is going to be reconsidered by Goodell and the NFL, so move on, pal. The punishment has been meted out, and the rest of the season remains.
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    Guys, face it............... This is the new league parity. We probably violated the rule and the commish (doing the Comp. Committee's bidding) choose this moment to take excessive punitive measures (1st round pick).

    Te Patriots refuse to die the natural death the league wants them too, so perhaps is we start whacking them with picks for everytime they even look at someone sideways, maybe they'll die that way..........

    Guess that means one thing............. Kraft needs to let the CBA die and the salary cap era pass on............ Football now sucks because of all this stupid parity. No revenue sharing, nothing. Time to let money talk and bullsh!t walk.

    I'm sick of this Pansy crap. I've no problem getting a penalty, but this is way over the top.




    Oh yeah Rog, thanks for FUKCING over some poor talented college kid that NOW won't get first round money all so you could grandstand like a the jagoff you are.
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    #15 Jersey

    I think the punishment is way over the top ... We are losing a 1st round pick only because when we make the playoffs the draft pick will be in the bottom third. Thats subjective. Denver nor San FRancisco lost 1st round picks because of their salary cap manipulations.

    Where is the investigation about Indianpolis turning up the heat in the dome or artificially creating crowd noise (a competitive advantage). How about Miami's Zach Thomas admitting they had a video tape and an audio tape of all of Brady's audibles (provided by a thrid team .... hhhhhmmmmm wonder who that could be). I guess it isn't against the rules to audio tape another team.

    This is just so hypocritical.

    Jealousy is an awful thing!

    LOUD and PROUD Sunday Night!!!!
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    You need to improve your reading comprehension, friend.

    I said BB was guilty of a violation and should be punished, but this is ridiculous. Are you the kind of person who sits and takes an outlandish punishment without saying anything? Why didn't you respond to my hypothetical example above? I am curious to hear what you have to say.
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    I don't know that it is all BB on this in that it a cetain person in NY had to turm against his mentor.

    This is huge hit on BB, the guy had a grreat reputation, a coach's coach, and now his lifelong reputation is soiled, by the guy who he taught.

    Also I think this new commish is showing a lack of the knowledge of the big picture, the commish has just told thewhole world that the Pats are cheaters, have always been cheaters, and there is nothing within that franchise to admire.

    Goodell may think he looks good in this being the iron fisted task master, but I do not think it is the best approach. This is a very gray area, let the team that has never stolen a sign be the first to throw the first stone, so to speak.

    His jurisprudence his lacking in that great coaches can be run off, I remember Bill Walsh when he was at Stanford, made public comments about Univeristy of Washington's Don James, and James was never the same again. Goodell should have a sit down with BB, and come to some kind of agreement where they both would come out looking good, so as not to ruin a person.

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    #50 Jersey

    Thanks for your worthless opinion. Now, follow your own advice.

    No, the main point is NOT that they got caught. And that is what you are clearly missing. The point is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. And that is the problem everyone has. Except people like yourself. And well, I'll refrain from saying what your problem is.
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    This is a link to a Jets fan site showing the Jets sideline during the game:

    http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showthread.php?t=151112

    There are no less than 7 different (Jets) people taking pictures or videotaping the action. One of the videotapers has a guy with a sound boom in Jets team shirt standing behind him. It is extraordinary to think that what is going on here does not illustrate that the Jets themselves were not violating the video taping rule.
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