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    Whew... Im glad he put Brady and Moss on the roster, :D
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    That's brutal and sad for him. It shows how important it is to stay on the field. That injury proved to me more than just a minor setback for the kid.
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    Actually, he has Hochstein as one of his 8 OL
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    Hold the phone...only three tackles? No LeVoir?
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    Good work as usual by Mike.
    I agree with 51 of the 53.

    My guess is that Reiss expects LeVoir to be on the PUP list; otherwise only 3 OT's is pretty crazy. I still would have kept four, keeping Britt.

    I would keep another linebacker; but perhaps Lenon isn't cutting it. Even with more 53, I'd rather be prepared for Bruschi not having a major role.

    MY BOTTOM LINE
    Britt or Levoir instead of Smith.
    Lenon instead of BJGE.
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    I love Reiss, but I don't see Ventrone or LeVoir getting cut.
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    Reiss is falling in love with new and shiny and forgetting the nuts and bolts.
    -- TE is nice, but you can't justify four.
    -- If you can't keep four TEs, it's hard to keep five RBs.
    -- Eight OL would make sense if one was a veteran T/G combo, but I'd not be trusting Brady to Vollmer if one of Light or Kac goes out, and Hochstein/Orhnberger are not subbing at T in anything but an absolute emergency. And while he was admiring Orhnberger, did he see the guys who weren't daydreaming on that play? O most likely got a 'wake-up kid, this is the NFL,' from Dante during the tape review.
    -- How is Ingram the lock? Hodel took the day off so they could focus those half dozen reps on Ingram.
    -- Mike keeps one Special Teams Ace, BB may surprise us, but I don't think he goes that far from his roster template.
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    Reiss sounded least committed to Smith among all of his 53. But he thinks Slater will be on.

    Is BJE worth a 5th-round pick in trade? :)
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    No.

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    The Pats have gone into the season with 4 TE's before, and that was back when they kept a true FB or two on the roster. Now that we're not even bothering with fullbacks, it makes a ton of sense to go heavy on TE and RB.

    Any anyway, with Belichick, you really can't assume we're going to go with the traditional numbers of players at each position: he lets the dispersal of talent around the roster determine how many slots a position gets.
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    He also looks at his balance of forces and doesn't let greed for one position overwelm common sense. This is the most stacked preseason roster of BB's tenure, however many TEs he likes, he also has to have minimum numbers at the other roster spots, and there's some good talent in all areas.
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    Projected players not on 2008 roster....

    [FONT=&quot]Walter
    Taylor,
    Baker, Smith
    Galloway, Edelman®, Lewis, Vollmer®, Ohrnberger, ®
    Brace®, Pryor®,
    Burgess, Banta-Cain
    Springs, Bodden, , Butler,®
    Chung®, McGowan
    Ingram(R)
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    [FONT=&quot]7 rookies and 19 new faces. IIRC in the last few years the turnover has been about 20% or 11 new faces per year…

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    Assuming McKenzie and Tate on IR/PUP
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    I don't have much problems with his roster. I can see them carrying 4 TEs if Thomas can handle the H-Back roll. If one TE can spend part of the time at FB, then I can see carrying four. I still think one TE (most likely Smith at this point) will either be cut or traded.

    I can see them carrying 5 RBs again, but I still think there are a lot of tougher cuts elsewhere and that 5th RB could be the victim of those tough cuts. BJGE could make the final roster, but I think he still has to prove more in the preseason to make the final roster. He had a Mike Cloud type of year last year (one really good game and then quickly disapeared). He needs to prove he is better than Mike Cloud.

    Reiss also seems to make his roster based on his belief that the Pats will use far more 4-3 this year. I am not sold yet. If they do still continue the 3-4 base, I think the roster on defense will be slightly different with a 3-4 base.
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    Interesting-It's true we have more new players.
    This is a good thing.
    Banta-Cain has been w/ us before though just not last yr.-technically.
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    Tough situation for Wheatley. He was a second rounder in 2008 and Wilhite was a 4th! Tight competition this yr.
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    Wheatley was rusty to finish the first half, but he shook it off and played well the second half.
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    We should keep 4 OT's.
    You can't have enough insurance for TB
    The TE position is relative to the Oline, Backs etc. as well....so I'm curious how this will all work out.

    I love Tedy and I'm his age but....we all slow down physically:(
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    My obsverations reading this

    1) it would seem Reiss had a hard time counting because when I first looked at this Slater and Le Kevin were on the squad. All kidding aside about the counting it goes to show you how tough the decisions are.

    2) 8 OL looks small and it is but it also is typical to have 8 gameday active and with Vollmer proving to be a swing tackle and Hochstein being a guard and center this does seem to work but is a huge risk trying to get guys to the PS who given one injury could be more important than the risk.

    3) Seems light on the special teamers. No Ventrone or Slater.

    4) I think unless Walter shows improvement in the next few weeks I might prefer 2 with Hoyer on the PS, I cant see 5 RBs, 6 WRs, and 4 TEs while ignoring OL and STs. I think the WR position could be 6 as Edelman and Aiken will be key STs (if Edelman makes it which he would seem close to a lock now but lets make sure he keeps it up). But if we go with 2 QBs, 4 RBs, and 3 TEs we free up 3 spots for an extra OL and 2 STs guys or keep the 3rd QB and free up 2 spots.

    5) Lennon would seemingly be one of the bigger cuts but with Seau willing to give some time it is kind of added depth not on the 53.
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    You're correct. He shows good hustle and aggressiveness-the 2nd was an improvement....I know he is a good player (we wouldn't have taken him in the 2nd)
    I think he'll show everyone why in the next few games.
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    Reiss knows a lot more about this than do I, but I agree with those who question the number of tackles.

    But, my big disappointment is, darn, no room for Favre if he changes his mind! I mean, shouldn't he have left one slot open?
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    I didn't get to watch the game, so I couldn't check myself so I am wonder: What is the makeup of special teams right now in terms of positions? With the changes to the wedge rules there was talk of using more TEs at one point - did this materialize? If so, it could explain the reasoning behind keeping more TEs?
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    I have no problem with Mike's 53. I have not seen Taylor play this year so can't comment on him. If all goes to plan, I think that I would lose BJGE and keep an extra OL.

    We can always pick up a RB later if needed.
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    You know I am not so sure exactly how the TEs fit into the STs equation that is definitely something to keep an eye on moving forward.
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    Based on Reiss' prediction, the special teams still have Aiken, McGowan, Woods and TBC as key players, a pretty good group. I agree though that one of wither Ventrone or Slater is likely to make the cut, not likely both.

    I think 3QBs = wasted roster spot, especially if you're talking about a ST ace like Slater or Ventrone facing a cut. I agree that Walter gets the axe, Hoyer is signed to the PS and Edelman plays the role of emergency 3rd QB.

    I don't see Lenon making the team. He's the 4th man in the ILB rotation, 5th if Thomas spends some time inside like he did in 2007. Given most of us expect the base 3-4 to be used less this year, it doesn't seem economical to use an extra roster spot on the position unless the guy tears it up on special teams. Do you keep Lenon over Slater? Ventrone? Likely not.
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    While all 4 TEs deserve to be on an NFL roster, it makes zero sense for the Pats to do it at the expense of another O-lineman. So I can see a trade of Watson, Smith or Thomas to clear up one spot. Even if you just get a 5th or 6th or something.

    I can also see a trade of BJGE. Just doesn't make sense to carry him and he doesn't really cover kicks either (at least not well).

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    I take the STs guy over Lennon. Only reason I find it suprising is that the depth would seem light on ILBs and I think Reiss is really buying into the 4-3 much more than I am which explains it.
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    I had 52 of the players he chose on my list. I didn't have BJGE, but instead i put in Lenon as a ST guy. I can also see them keeping levoir. Otherwise they're very thin at tackle.
    I think it's a good list, but there's still lots of preseason left to be played. Two guys who i have on my list, but i can see getting cut are Galloway and wheatley. Both were very unimpressive they're first game.
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    If they were gonna take another ILB, it would probably be Alexander. Good on STs and more experience in the system. Lenon missing time to injury can't help him.

    J D Sal
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    He actually keeps Hotchstein. He cuts most of the pure ST only guys (Slater, Ventrone, Circiu, Alexander). However, a PS injury could allow one of these to sneak on the roster. LeKevin Smith being let go is the biggest name but if Pryor outplays him and earns it then so be it.

    This also assumes Levoir and Tate on PUP which makes sense.
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