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  1. mgteich

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    I can't see see us passing on OT (or trade down a bit and then picking an OT) if Light is not re-signed.

    If Light is re-signed, there is less need with both Light and Kaczur available in addition to Vollmer.
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    I agree. I think Pats could get a couple of good interior linemen at #60, #74 or #92. I would love to get Moffit. Seems to have Mankins like attitude. Can play C, G or T.
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    I don't see why they can't do both as long as they get a tackle that is capable of playing guard. I'm not opposed to bringing Light back as long as it's just 2 or 3 years. He's a pretty average LT at this point.
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    I can. Chances are there will be a front-seven defender on the board that carries a higher grade than any available OT. Combine that with BBs history (Light and Vollmer in 2nd, Kaczur, Kenyatta Jones in 4th) and the presence of guys like LeVoir and Ojinnaka on the roster, I'll be shocked if OT is the call at #17.

    Bottom line is that I'm not sure that the OT available will carry first round grades. Right now the only guy I have a 1st round grade on is Carimi. Other GMs will reach for Costonzo, Solder, and others on perceived upside, but Belichick will more likely take a guy with potential later in the draft I think.
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    I can't remember a draft with a weaker first round for OL so taking an OL at #17 is likely going to be a serious reach. I suppose it's possible they could have an OL with that high a grade who is still available then but doubt it seriously. Re-signing Light is a priority imo, he's a really good OT who has always been completely underappreciated by Patriot fans but who has protected Brady extremely well throughout his time in NE. I don't believe he's looking to break the bank and think they can re-sign him to an affordble deal and move him to RT for the remainder of his career with Vollmer taking over at RT. Kazcur provides adequate depth with LeVoir competing with whomever they bring in as free agents and picks. I believe rebuilding the OL for the future is a priority but don't see the high end talent there to use first rounders in this draft to do so. As you mentioned in another thread there seems to be a good number of OL with second and third round grades so that would be the more likely point to take OL. So far Wisniewski is the OL I like the most in this draft and he can probably play all 3 interior positions. Wisniewski at #28 would be a decent pick and interior OL is a higher priority than OT right now.
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    The more I know about this OT class in combination with various team needs, the more I'm inclined to think that none of them go before #21 or so, and maybe only one of them in the first round.

    I'd re-sign Light if reasonably possible. But an OT still might get serious consideration in the second even so, depending on which OGs are available when. I'm only about 60% confident in the full-season reliability of both Light and Kaczur for 2011 and I'd hate to have to fall back on LeVoir or Ojinnaka for an extended stretch. I'd feel a little more comfortable with, say, Carimi or Castonzo in the fold working with Dante (or even Carpenter later).

    If Light can't be signed, I might be looking at an OT earlier, but I'm still not certain that it would be necessary to use the #17.

    The way things usually shake out in the end, "boring" BB-type players should fall into the late first and the second, so the #17 may well get traded down to the later first round or early second regardless.
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    Let Light walk, move Vollmer to LT, draft an RT at 28/33/60
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    What do you think about making Light a Guard? It seems that it would minimize his weakness, leck of edge mobility.
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    I feel like Light would rather get paid as an LT somewhere else rather than as a guard here.
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    He made about 4.5 million this past season. He's on the wrong side of 30 and has had a lot of trouble with speed rushers, I'm not sure he'd get a huge deal elsewhere. I'm thinking that with enough incentives in his contract he might want to stay here.

    Anyway, I was curious to hear your thoughts about how Light at Guard would work on the field.
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    The Patriots graded out as the top OL in football according to CHFF, and Light was the starting LT and i'm pretty sure played every game. It's difficult to see how they have the best OL in football with a bad LT, and the reality is that he's a good if not great LT. I can see moving him either inside or to RT in the future but letting him walk without even knowing what he wants is stupid.
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    I could be wrong, but I think BB let's Light walk unless Light agrees to a very reasonable contract.

    Light up 10 sacks this past season.

    Our double TE sets can help a rookie OT next season as far as chipping and delayed releases.

    Move Vollmer to the left side and draft a RT.

    In my mind, we can get Ziemba in the third round and plug him in immediately at RT and he will start for the next decade. Flat back super strong run blocker. decent feet with the ability to sink his hips. If his arms are as long as his length, he should be able to push speed rushers past the pocket, especially if we draft Kirkpatrick or O Dowd to replace Koppen so Brady can step up in the pocket.

    I am not a fan of Costanzo or Solder, but Carmini I could like a lot if he had better feet.
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    I'm sure it wouldn't be horrible, and there was some talk of moving him to guard back when he was a draft prospect. He seems like he'd be able to handle the pulling required of our guards, but I question whether he has ideal power at the guard position. I also question whether Bill would want to do that, since he seems to value a player's experience at a position, and Light presumably hasn't practiced at guard ever. So basically, I think he's adequate, but I don't think moving him to guard suddenly makes him a better player.
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    As much as I agree with you regarding Constanzo and Solder. I truly believe Dante is the best offensive line coach in the game. He could probably coach those two up to be effective in our offense.

    However, like you, they really don't impress me all that much Moffit,Watkins,Wisniewski Pouncey and Carimi are my binkies I hope get drafted.
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    Light will probably be signed to a cheap deal and play LG for a couple seasons and then retire. Sebastiono vollmer will play LT...Carimi or someone else will play right T. Carimi being the pick at #17.
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    First off, Light has been very good for a long time. If he re-signed for 2 more years I would be fine with that. The Pats smust and should address the following issues (in this order) before the draft....


    Mankins: Franchise him or re-sign him, either way do not let him walk.
    Light: I would be fine with re-signing him to a 2 year deal, if you let him walk then you enter the draft HAVING to draft both a starting guard and a starting left tackle (or RT if you want to move Vollmer over) and don't even think about letting Mankins walk too, cause then their screwed. That is not a position that you want to be in. Every pick you have to use for the O-line, really isn't making this team any better, and is one less impact player that the Pats can take.

    Kazcur is coming back, and he is more than servicable as a back-up tackle, it would have?still could be interesting to see what he would do as a guard.
    Neal says he is coming back, but I would put him on the "vetran most likely to announce his retirement during training camp" list.
    I thought that Connelly played well and he has a spot as a back-up.

    I LOVE Moffit (for center or guard), and he can be had maybe even with the first pick in the third round.

    Not sold on Costanzo, thought he got pushed around pretty good (at guard) in the Sr. Bowl.

    None of the tackles out there are sure fire hits, so the Pats may be better off sticking with Light.
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    Carmini can be gotten at 28. Get the best stud DE at 17. 33 could be Pouncey. That will help both sides of the lines tremendously. Then we can focus on the RB's, WR's, and CB's in the late second and 3rd rounds.
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    Agreed.

    Sign Light; he is a known commodity and stick with the Patriot Way; draft some developmental guys later and see if you can hit a home run like Vollmer.

    The Patriots need to sign Light because they have too many pressing needs; a pass rusher and (gasp I cannot believe I am saying this) a deep threat. They need another CB also.
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    Either Light or Mankins should be signed otherwise this draft goes in a totally undesirable direction. RTs are a dime a dozen and can be found later in the draft.

    I one of them gets signed the Patriots can go with 3-4 end, 3-4 OLB, OT, WR with four of the first five picks and come out loaded for bear.
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    I do NOT think that starting RT's are a dime a dozen. I believe that Kaczur will our RT if Light goes.

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    Maybe the #9 or #10 front 7 defender will indeed have a better grade than the four OT's that have been given 1st round grades, perhaps not.

    The drafts I just checked had Kerrigan, Watt, Jordan and Houston available along with the four OT's.

    One of the top 4 OT's may be available at 28, or not.

    My BOTTOM LINE, is that the VALUE of an OT goes up considerably if Light is not re-signed.

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    Tackles capable of playing guard are rare, and often not very good at one position or the other.

    Taking a LT in the first round usually means you plan on starting him at some point in the season. If they resign Light, he'll probably be making enough money where they would feel obligated to start him. If he takes a veteran's minimum with high incentives then I can understand drafting an OT and resigning Light. LTs customarily (especially the ones with first round grades) do no require a lot of new coaching or development to be fairly successful in the NFL. If they resign Light they might as well wait on drafting an LT in the first round and take a LT next year in the draft or the year after. There are other pressing needs on the team that require development and coaching, more so than OT (if we resign Light).

    If we resign Light, I would be opposed to drafting an OT in the second round as well considering Kaczur's return. We have considerable depth at the position, granted Light returns.
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    Light's still doing pretty well given his age. Still struggles with speed rushers, but when hasn't he? I don't see the talent at OL in the top 20 this year. I'd take Soldier or Sherrod at #27, but needy teams are going to reach for those guys.

    Bring back Light. Use the early picks to complete the D. Shore up the OL in the mid-rounds.
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    Added value, then, in Danny Watkins perhaps - looked great at OG at the Senior Bowl after starting all his 24 games at Baylor at LT.

    OT could still be a later pickup for a Dante project to potentially upgrade over LeVoir/Ojinnaka. Pats reps reportedly spoke with Barksdale at the Shrine Game. Barksdale weighed-in at 6046/336. Not all that thrilled with him - Shrine practice notes labeled him as "passive" - already slid down to #92. James Carpenter might be another OT > OG conversion - 6048/313, good notes at Senior Bowl practices - currently ranked #115. Also, James Brewer - 6063/323, ranked #129 - got some good practice notes at the Senior Bowl.
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    I look at the o-line this way:

    1.) Ideally you need 7 pretty talented guys (five starters who on average are very good, a very good swing tackle who can play right away, and a decent third interior lineman who can play right away). If you carry more, fine, but they're just developmental guys and anything they contribute is gravy.
    2.) You need a fairly small amount of turnover from year to year-ideally no more than one of the seven although somtimes it will have to be two.
    3.) You need two-four of the seven to be 30 or younger because otherwise you're just going to have to turn over players too quickly once they get old.

    Right now the Pats have at best four of seven pieces (two tackles, a center, and a halfway decent third interior linemen (Connolly). Even if you resign Mankins and Light, you're still short a starting guard and you're also older than you should be, with Vollmer and Mankins the only two players who are likely to be around for more than a year or three, so you probably want to upgrade Kaczur and/or Connolly as well as adding a quality guard.
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    Light cannot play gaurd .He is not build like mankins or neal .stout guys who are low ,powerfull enought to go against 3-4 DE or DT on single coverage.

    Vollmer struggled alot post concussion last year with wake,williams and needed a bunch of help. THis year after his injury TE was on his side all the time. Can you explain how you are projecting him to be preconcussion player when he has struggled last 2 yrs. If you get a rookie RT he will be protected so will you pull all help from vollmer side like light this year?


    I rather draft a 2 gaurds/center guys one high and one is 3-4th and call it a day resigning light. It also helps vollmer to develop and maybe be get a good year in before moving over.
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    What happens to Light will most likely be shaped by what happens to Mankins.

    If Mankins is resigned, Light can be franchised and maybe traded. There are way too many teams looking for Oline not to get something.

    If Mankins is franchised, he should have good trade value and can be replaced. At that point, Light's experience helps and should suffice for 2-3 years.

    I just hope we are not in a position where we have HAVE to draft a tackle.
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    BB Will Not draft an OT at #17
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    Light's not good enough to franchise and you can't do a tag and trade-no one wants one year of Light at $11 million guaranteed. And it kills you with any free agent you ever deal with if you re-sign Light and then immediately trade him.
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    I'm not a fan of the OT's in this draft at all, and I don't see a single one that is worth a top 33 pick. But because of the position and need accross the NFL these guys will be way over valued. I'd much rather re sign Light for 2 years and look at a top OT next year when it looks like a much stronger draft. There seem to be a bunch of really interesting O-lineman next year that would be much better options that the guys this year.

    Some of the guys who could be available next yeat are Matt Kalil form USC, Nate Potter from Boise State, Blake DeChristopher from V Tech, Matt Reynolds from BYU and Mike Adams and Michael Brewster from Ohio State. My two favorites however are Jonathan Martin from Stanford and Josh Oglesby from Wisconsin. Martin is a potential franchise LT who could see his way into the top 5 is he can live up to his potential. While Oglesby is a monster who would probably be better suited for RT with the Pats. But there are a lot of interesting guys in next years draft that I would definitely prefer over the guys this year.

    My dream scenario would be:

    2011
    C- Rodney Hudson- Late 2nd/Early 3rd
    OG- Clint Boling- 3rd/4th
    OG- James Carpenter- 4th

    2012
    OT- J. Martin/ J. Oglesby- 1st/2nd

    Which would leave an O-Line for the next decade of:
    LT- J. Martin/ S. Vollmer
    LG- J. Carpenter
    C- R. Hudson
    RG- C. Boling
    RT- S. Vollmer/ J. Oglesby
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