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  1. mgteich

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    The last roster spot could go to anyone, depending on injuries and various other issues. In fact, we cut to a 52 man roster before Game 1 to make it easier to claim those who other teams cut.

    As of now, I have Lenon sitting in that 53rd roster spot. We don't really need four ILB's. Others have given that roster spot to BJGE or Alex Smith or Slater or Ventrone. Reiss keeps both BJGE and Smith and keeps only 3 OT's. Others keep only 2 QB's.

    52 MAN ROSTER

    OFFENSE (25)
    QB 3
    RB 4
    WR 6
    TE 3
    OL 9

    DEFENSE (24)
    DL 7
    OLB 5 (some also play DE)
    ILB 3
    CB 5
    S 4

    SPECIALISTS (3)
    K 1
    P 1
    LS 1
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    I think they keep BJGE.

    RB is such a wear and tear position, especially over age 30. All of these guys, including and especially Maroney have had health concerns.

    Don't wanna get into a totally probable situation where 2 or 3 backs get get dinged up over a 3 week period and your left scrambling to find depth.
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    As for the 3 OT thing - remember that if Levoir starts on PUP, he'd be back week 6 as a nice depth pickup. By then injuries will make finding a spot for everyone a lot easier.
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    I think your mix is wrong. Injuries are more likely to occur on defense. The offense is STACKED already. We have the luxury to add to the defense and STs. That means 2 QBs, 4 RBs, and 3 TEs. Add another OT to the OL, keep 6 WRs, and you have 2 additional roster spots to give to the defense/STs.
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    Please list your mix.

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    This was MY shot at the 53 with the usual suspect comments. :D (Based on Reiss' format)

    Quarterback (2): Brady, O’Connell
    Quick hit: Walter becomes a shadow roster guy. They give him some money to sit by the phone in case of injury. This preseason is for him to get familiar with the offense. Hoyer to the PS. Roster spots are just TOO valuable and rare this season.

    Running back (4): Faulk, Taylor, Morris, Maroney
    Quick hit: I know Law firm is everyone's binky, but again too many players, too few spots. Morris has played some FB BTW.

    Tight end (3): Baker, Watson, Thomas
    Quick hit: Thomas simply manned up and beat out Smith. I think BB might want to keep 4 guys, but thats a luxury we can't afford. More power to the defense. The offense will be OK.

    Receiver (6): Moss, Welker, Galloway, Edelman, Lewis, Aiken
    Quick hit: I was expecting Edelman to be on the PS, but thats won't happen now. He wouldn't make it through wavers. The Pats will carry 6 WRs with Edelman and Aiken making most of their contributions on STs

    Offensive line (8): Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Vollmer, Ohrnberger, Hochstein,Britt/OCallahan
    Quick hit: Lavoir starts the season on PUP and the winner of the Britt/OCallahan battle gets the 8th roster spot....for now. The rookies they like go to the PS


    Offense (23)

    Defensive line (7): Warren, Wilfork, Seymour, Green, Brace, Pryor, Wright
    Quick hit: Really like this group, the other rookie to the PS

    Inside LBLinebacker (4): Mayo, Guyton, Bruschi, Lenon/Alexander/Williams
    Quick hit: You really only need 4 guys, since this will be the area where at least ONE ILB will be on the sidelines in EVERY passing situation (which these days is virtually every play). Alexander is still in the mix because of his special teams play, and his coverage ability.
    I never saw Williams with the safeties once. He's a coverage ILB now and has a shot at THAT position only.

    OLB -(6) Woods, Thomas, TBC, Burgess, Crable, Ninkovitch.
    Quick hit - Yeah I know the last name will raise some eyebrow, but he can play some DE, STs, and long snap as well. He has some quickness, and I think he has a shot if BB cuts the offensive guys I mentioned to load up on the defense

    Cornerback (5): Springs, Bodden, Wilhite, Butler, Wheatley
    Quick hit: That was easy.

    Safety (5): Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, McGowan, Ventrone/Slater/Richardson
    Quick hit: The first 4 are givens and winner of Ventrone/Slater/Richardson get a STs/spare DB slot I just happen to put here

    Defense (27)

    Specialists (3): Gostkowski (K), Hanson (P), Ingram (LS)
    Quick hit: Contract wise, Ingram makes the most sense. I feel for Hoddel, he didn't do anything to get cut....but he only makes the squad if BB decides he doesn't want to rely on a rookie, and thinks he can stash him on the PS

    I think our offense is as talented as it can be, and in that vein can be cut down a bit, to load up on defense and STs. THATs where injuries are most likely to occur. BTW - I wouldn't be shocked to see BB go with only 3 ILBs, given Junior is ready to go. ILB is the new FB in the passing age.
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    Now I understand. The offense is so loaded that we will play without a #3 QB and a backup center.

    1)You would keep 17 front seven defensive players instead of the more usual 15 (6 DL's and 9 OL's recently, perhaps with a changing mix this year to emphasize the 4-3).
    2) You would violate NFL's rules and the player's agreement by paying a player not on the roster in order to free up one position.
    3) You apparently are so sure of Orhenberger that you willhave him backing up RG, LG and C on Game Day). That's a lot for a raw rookie. Make no mistake, if we keep only 8 OL's, we will keep four OT's. So, the interior line provides the position for Ninkovich. While I like Ninkovich, I think he would make it instead of the 4th ILB, if at all. After all, Nickovich is our backup snapper.

    BOTTOM LINE'
    We agree on 51 players. That's pretty good for this point in the preseason.

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    There are many Law Firm fans.

    He can be let go. Another street free agent can do the job if need be. I love his story as much as the next guy. But do we want BJGE taking snaps with Maroney, Taylor, Morris, Faulk on the bench ? Maybe some of you do... I don't. Rather have Morris-Maroney-Taylor on 1st and 2nd (use the one best suited for that particular game, or hot hand) and Faulk on 3rd.
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    I agree. BJGE would be inactive every week, unless there were two injuries.

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    i actually watched ninkovitch and he looked extremely fast coming from the edge and flushed the qb out of the pocket several times so i agree with you
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    Here's my stab at it. No explanations, but I am open to comments.

    OFFENSE (26)
    QB 3 O'Connell Brady Walter
    RB 4 Taylor Faulk Morris Maroney
    WR 6 Edelman Galloway Lewis Moss Welker Aiken
    TE 4 Smith Watson Thomas Baker
    OL 9 Neal Ohrnberger Koppen O'Callaghan Mankins Hochstein Light Vollmer Kaczur

    DEFENSE (24)
    DL 7 Brace Wilfork Pryor Seymour Warren Green Wright
    OLB 5 Burgess Woods Banta-Cain Thomas Crable
    ILB 3 Mayo Bruschi Guyton
    CB 5 Wheatley Bodden Wilhite Butler Springs
    S 3 Slater Chung Meriweather Sanders

    SPECIALISTS (3)
    K 1 Gostkowski
    P 1 Hanson
    LS 1 Ingram

    PS
    Hoyer, Brian Nunn, Terrence Bussey, George Richard, Darryl

    PUP/IR
    Tate, Brandon
    McKenzie, Tyrone

    Cut
    Williams, Tank Jones, Herana-Daze Richardson, Mike Love, Jamar Ventrone, Raymond Green-Ellis, BenJarvus Hodel, Nathan Ciurciu, Vinny Alexander, Eric Adams, Titus Connolly, Dan Britt, Wesley Wendell, Ryan Yates, Billy Williams, Steve DeVree, Tyson LeVoir, Mark Ninkovich, Rob Lenon, Paris McGowan, Brandon
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    Good Job, but I really think you have to add to the defense and reverse your offense to defense ratio.

    Lose the extra QB and TE. They are luxuries to an already stacked offense. Add 2 players to the defense, probably another DB and LB. Makes the special teams stronger. Makes the defensive Depth better.
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    I would think that the 4th TE would certainly be playing Special teams.


    I do agree about QB#3 though. I don't think theres any reason to carry a QB3 unless its a developmental guy. If your top 2 QBs get hurt, your screwed anyways.
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    I don't know who any of these players are; Raymond Green-Ellis, Jamar Ventrone, Benjarvis Hodel, Nathan Ciurciu,Titus Connolly? Are the Pats once again ahead of the curve using some new kind of DNA splicing technology to produce players? On the bright side it appears we signed Lando Calrisian.
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    Given that would you keep McGowan and Lenon over O'Connell and Watson/Thomas? I think the latter players are more valuable
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    Lando Calrisian has joined the empire, you haven't heard?
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    PF- Agree w/ many of these, but did you mean to list 8 or 9 on the OL?

    You say that you only want 8, but list the following:
    Offensive line (8): Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Vollmer, Ohrnberger, Hochstein,Britt/OCallahan

    You said that the winner of the Britt/O'Callahan battle would get the 8th spot, but I think it'd be the 9th actually

    If you miscounted and meant to keep 9, then I agree w/ everything and would take the last OLB spot for the 9th OL (don't think Ninkovitch makes it)
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    BJGE makes the roster because he has been working out in ST consistently- I don't think Bill or Scott would waste time doing that if he was on the bubble. That just takes away valuable ST time from someone else.
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