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  1. AzPatsFan

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    Every year one NFL power disintegrates and one club rises from mediority to become a league power.

    What are your picks for these two teams?
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    I posed the general question. Here is my answer Although I'd love to hear everyone else's selections.



    My candidates for collapse and rise are respectively the Colts and the Jaguars.

    Their Colts whole team and game planning is predicated on a Super Offense.

    If that Offense recedes to merely pretty good, they fall far and hard. The Defense is only a half D, at most, players picked and selected and on their ability to play when up by three scores. That's why they field a "star" DE in 230# DE Robert Mathis. He is smaller than most LBs and an unheard of midget at DE, but he plalys because he can do but one thing, rush the passer. They ignore his inability to play the run. They can't stop the run and can only pass rush and play a complete pass oriented opponent who has abandoned the run in an attempt to play catch up.

    Losing franchsie back Edge James is a loss of major proportions, but that is not the only problem. They have sacrificed all their depth to pay the big skill players. Over the last two years they have lost 5 veteran O linemen to FA, and substituted scrubs at Guard and at all the backup positions. While Tarik Glenn is good, and Saturday is a fine center, their right tackle Ryan Diem is only slightly better than averge. The remaining o-line and their starting interior line men are abominably bad; so bad that the Colts lost in the playoffs and to SD because in Manning's words "protection propblems". They have been playing against all odds and hoping that none of their three good olinemen get hurt and have been lucky for two years. The odds say thier luck should runout.

    The Defense gets exposed as soon as it plays a club that they cannot jump out to a big lead. Then they get the ball run at them and run at them until they get runover. There is no one on the D that they can bring in to stifle an opponents combined Offensive game. Once again the team's D has been tailored to only be competent when nursing a big lead and playing pass. Even then they give up one of the highest completion percentages in football (67%) in spite of getting a high number of sacks. Why? Because their secondary is a bunch of undersized and under talented midgets. Some of their biggeat starters are 5-8 or LESS. With a tiny line, tiny safety sized LBs, and midget secondary they cna't defend very well.

    All it takes is for the Offense to ONLY jump out to one or Two TD leads, for them to be in trouble. Opponents don't abandon their offense and grind their Defesne to death.

    They have a tough schedule and more importantly their is now a rising competitor in their own Division. The Colts really haven't had any competion for three years as the Titans were collapsed by the cap, the Jags needed to rebuild, and theTexans were an expansion franchise.

    The young Jags won 12 games last year and no one noticed. They are everything the Colts are not. A good Defense, and only a fair to poor Offense, with a young maturing franchise QB and only a few skill players. But they are maturing. For them to win the division, all they have to do is improve on offense to merely mediocre to go with their good D, and I think they have taken that step in the latter parts of last season.

    i think they win their divsion outright, and withthe tougher scheduel that the AFCS sees thei year the WC will not cowm from the AFCS, so the Colts are locked out of the playoffs.
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    I'd love to see the Colts collapse, but don't think it'ss happen this year. Indy will be weaker. Their run defense lost 2 relatively effective players in Thornton and Triplett, but they still have the pass rush (Freeney in a contract year) and physical secondary to shut down a weak division. On offense, they lost the effectivness of their play action when James left, but no defense in the division has an answer to their passing game.

    I see Jacksonville making the big drop in the AFC. They were benificiaries of a creampuff schedule in 2005, and just dont impress me much aside from their interior defensive line. I think Cleveland makes the jump to a 9 win team this year and hangs in the wild card race until week 15-16.

    In the NFC, I don't believe Chicago's for real. I see the Bears and Tampa both falling back to .500. I think the Rams could surprise alot of people and possibly sneak back into the wild card picture.
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    I think this could be the year that Arizona overcomes the fact that it's...well, Arizona. With a real coach, some intriguing talent, a soft schedule and an actual sold-out stadium, they should be a playoff contender.

    Stinkypete, while I don't believe in the Bears either, somebody would have to beat them. That is one ugly division. How about Kansas City to fall to Earth.
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    Kansas City is going up, i predict them to play the pats in the AFC championship game.

    Cinncinatti will fall.
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    My useless pre-season prediction: Steelers will stumble (Ben or no Ben) Lions will surprise.

    Keegs, KC is an interesting pick, and I almost agreed.... until I remembered that they stole Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' Herm Edwards from the AFC East. :(
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    Colts will finish second in the AFC South and maybe out of the playoffs.

    Browns will finish with a wining record.
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    Up and Down

    Teams that made the play-offs but won't this coming year:

    If I have to pick one, I think it's Jacksonville, followed by Kansas City and the Seahawks.

    Teams that didn't make the play-offs but will this year:

    My best guess is the Eagles. They're in a tough division, but basically this is a strong team and a strong organization. Last season was a nightmare, but they can put it behind them. Followed by (ecch!) Miami.
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    Indianapolis falls to second in the division or possibly makes an Eagles-like collapse.

    Tampa Bay's offense surges with Chris Simms, Cadillac and Michael Clayton (the next Peyton-Edge-Marvin combo IMO), but their defense doesn't hold up their end of the bargain, they have the same record as last year or maybe a little better.

    Jacksonville's offense AND defense become excellent, they rise to 13-3 and are the #2 seed. (We are #1, of course. :rocker: )

    Minnesota wins the NFC North, but just barely.

    Carolina either completely dissapoints or does awesome, I can't see it being anywhere in the middle.

    Reggie Bush wreaks havoc in the NFC South, but the rest of the team doesn't.
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    I'm throwing in Tennessee to win 8+ despite decent teams on the schedule and a tough division. Colts MAY fall to wild card status but I wouldn't bet on it. They look like a 12-game winner from where I'm sitting. Jags are good for 10. My big "crumbler" is Pittsburgh, which only wins 9-10 games this year and (possibly) misses the playoffs -- pretty much the position the Steelers were in after the regular season last year, lest we forget, but this time without the 11 wins.

    If you want an instant riches-to-rags candidate, I'm not even gonna hazard a guess.

    PFnV
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    Team to fall??? Pittsburgh..they wear the target this year and..they will falter... A team coming up?? Detroit or Arizona..been waiting for both..so?? One or the other will surprise...
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    AFC
    Surprise: Jets - Improved O-Line and underrated defense
    Collapse: Miami - won't live up to the hype (Jets, Bills, and Pats also have improved)

    NFC
    Surprise: Lions - in the NFC North, anything is possible. Besides, the Lions can be good if they stay healthy.
    Collapse: Buccaneers - aging defense and weaknesses at both tackle spots will take their toll.
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    i think the Browns will do well.
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    I could see the Jets surprising and winning 6-7 games this year.

    As for the Lions, I get burned every year predicting them to break out, it won't happen again.
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    Lions will surprise.

    If the Cardinals offensive line is improved...then they might get a playoff shot.

    I can't see it... but if you wanted a homerun on your money; the Aint's would be that pick.

    Texans might even do something this year.

    Steelers might fall.

    Colts might fall.

    Jacksonville prolly will fall.
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    I know i know, its the only thing that kept me from almost changing it but Larry Johnson was enough for me to put them in the AFC championship game. The guy is amazing, i love watchin him play. All they need is their defense to get a little bit better and a lotta teams that have to play them are screwed. I mean, Bell, Surtain, Hali,sammy knight and last years pick Derrick Johnson have to perform better together than they did last year (obviously not Hali). I think herm taking them that far isn't impossible, but it will be hard. I can't see them making the superbowl or anything with him tho.

    I think KC is finally getting the right idea by adding to the DLine in stead of ignoring it.
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    oh yeah, and the Browns..... especially since i think Pitt and Cinn are on the decline.
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    Pittsburgh and Arizona.
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    Larry Johnson is my cousin and he can't wait until next season.KC can definitely win the AFC west next season.
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    alright for suprise teams lets go out on a limb. THe Ravens will win their division. The Cardinals will win theirs.
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    Colts down
    Cards up.
    Browns take a step forward.
    Pitt struggles.
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    What about the Giants? What are the impressions out there on the progress of the other Manning, defensive additions, and Coughlin?

    The team has a good core of high-quality players. Eli shows signs of becoming a quality quarterback, even if you just what to smack him when you see him. Defense has been upgraded, at least on paper. Coughlin has success building franchises, yet seems to always inspire mutiny.

    What are some prognostications on the Giants?
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    I think that the NFC East will be the most interesting division in football this coming season. All four teams have strengths -- and doubts. I would not be surprised if any one of them won the division or if any two went to the play-offs. If the Giants can come through -- well, why not? But they don't have any easy divisional games.

    (Having read this thread, I'll make another prediction: this is going to be a season with few big surprises.

    I think that saying that Pittsburgh or the Colts will collapse is -- barring really serious injuries -- wishful thinking. Anything can happen, but I wouldn't put any money on Arizona or Detroit coming up. I'll stick with the Eagles and the Fins as the teams most likely to make the play-offs who didn't last time. But, frankly, how big a surprise would that be?)
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    Arizona has a very interesting offense, at least. In all honesty, I'm rooting for them. If Leinhart can come though next year (including week 10+), they have everything on paper to be the next greatest show on turf, or whatever the h8ll they have now. I think this draft was a coup for them, and as a fan, I relate that franchise to historically inept Pats.

    Excuse me whilst I don my flak jacket...
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    "Surprise" team: Baltimore.

    "Collapse" team: Denver

    San Diego will likely take a step back also, while Cleveland will be better than expected.
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    They blow very badly. Even if they are a good teeam, they still blow. They always have blown and they always will blow.

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    My picks:

    Playoff teams that collapse: Seattle, Denver

    Teams that get in: Philly, Baltimore


    Last year, I thought SD would be the collapse and KC the big riser. I had the right direction -- SD did go down and KC up, but not nearly the magnitude.
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    Pitt falls. The Roethlisberger situation, along with losing Randle-El and drafting Holmes, who might be playing in a jailhouse league by the time the season starts will effect the offense, along with losing Bettis to spell Parker in short yardage.

    I think Baltimore rises. Reed and Lewis healthy, espically Reed being one of the best defensive players in the league when he was healthy 2 years ago,along with Billick finally having a real QB in McNair and McNair and Mason reunited will make the Ravens offense finally more than a three yards and a cloud of dust old school ground and pound with Lewis. Speaking of the run game, they have a nice two headed monster in Lewis and Anderson, even though they can be considered the same type of power back.

    In the NFC, Arizona is the team on the rise. They drafted a couple of decent o-lineman, and Edge will add the running game to an offense with two of the top WRs in the game, and if Warner gets down, I think Leinart can step in and do a good enough job with these weapons.

    Team on the downfall, I say the Bears. The Bears a few years ago had a great year then fell off, I see a repeat again.
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    To surprise, put me down for

    Jets
    Giants

    (No, I don't like New York either!)


    To do better than expected:

    Denver (even though they drafted for the long haul)
    Cincinnati (not sure why so many think they've peaked.)


    To underperform:

    Chicago
    Arizona


    To be every bit as good as predicted:

    Carolina
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    Surprise teams: Oakland and Arizona

    Neither to go far in the playoffs, in fact they both probably won't even qualify for them, but they will be in wildcard contention late in the season.

    Brooks is a good fit for the Oakland's pass-happy offense, with Moss, if he stays healthy, reverting back to Probowl form. Jordan is a top 10/15 RB. The defense should improve with the additions of Huff, Poole, and Robert Thomas. Sapp is motivated, and Art Shell is one of the better coaches in the league. Look for a turnaround from this team.

    Arizona's progress has been better documented than Oakland's. They're moving into a magnificent stadium with a new franchise QB and RB. Boldin, Fitzgerald, Bryant Johnson, and Leonard Pope are four solid receivers for the savvy Leinart. They already had an underrated defense, with Wilson and Bertrand Berry amongst others. They can win the NFC West if the current trend of Superbowl losers spiraling downwards the following year continues, as certainly the 49ers and Rams are in no condition to make the playoffs.

    It's easier to predict teams that won't match the previous season's production. I don't think Chicago or the New York Giants will do as good, and ultimately neither will Pittsburgh or Seattle.
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