Peter King: Brady vs. Cassel first six games

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  1. Rob0729

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    In King's MMQB Tuesday edition, Peter King compared Brady and Cassel over their first six starts and the numbers show not a lot of difference between the two. Yes, Brady averaged .67 more TDs a game, but he also passed 24 more passes than Cassel.

    Yes, as King pointed out there are still some problems with Cassel's game, but many are correctable.

    Matt Cassel doing OK for Patriots, more reader mail - Peter King -
  2. JSn

    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Yes, the comparison is totally fair, but the flood of screamers will arrive in this thread any second anyway.
  3. Nunchucks

    Nunchucks In the Starting Line-Up

    I don't see how the comparison is fair. Cassel has Randy Moss (possibly the greatest receiver of all time) and Wes Welker (Troy Brown).

    Brady was a game manager that first year, but he also came out and won games. Hopefully we see that from Cassel furher in the season (though I pray he doesn't have to).

    Brady showed a pocket presense and the ability to find the open guy in those early days. He was reading defenses pretty well, hence the reason the short passing game worked so well, even when teams stacked the box.
  4. D-Money

    D-Money In the Starting Line-Up

    You would think that Cassel will get comfortable with each start, we will see.I am liking the fact that he is looking for Moss more now.
  5. MoLewisrocks

    MoLewisrocks Supporter Supporter

    Wrong...took all of 5 minutes.
  6. JSn

    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    :( I underestimated their willpower.
  7. TheGodInAGreyHoodie

    TheGodInAGreyHoodie Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    I stole this analysis from the Colt forum

    Matt Cassel (HOF)?

    Cassel '08
    6 games so far
    110/166 (66.3%) for 1095 yards (9.4 YPA), 6 TD (5.2%), 4 Int (3.6%), 3 Fumbles
    Extend to 16 games
    293/309 (66.3%) for 2920 yards (9.4 YPA), 16 TD (5.2%), 11 Int (3.6%), 8 Fumbles

    Brady '01
    15 games
    264/413 (63.9%) for 2843 yards (6.9 YPA), 18 TD (4.3%), 12 Int (2.9%), 12 Fumbles
    Extend to 16 games
    281/441 (63.9%) for 3032 yards (6.9 YPA), 19 TD (4.3%), 13 Int (2.9%), 13 Fumbles
  8. DefenseRules

    DefenseRules Pro Bowl Player

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    I honestly don't understand this OBSESSION with comparing Cassel to Brady. I really don't. Is it so wrong to let Cassel become his own QB in peace? :rolleyes:
  9. JSn

    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    That's pretty interesting, but I don't trust extrapolations of data in this league.
  10. JSn

    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    The thing is, these comparisons make it easier for us as fans to feel good when Cassel steps on the field. It also tell show smart Bill and co. are.

    We could compare him to lot's of QB's, but NE is a pretty unique animal and we want to hold him to the standard of excellence we're used to.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with it. We're not asking him to be Brady, we're asking him to be another unheralded monster QB coming outta New England. I'm good with that, personally.
  11. RodThePat

    RodThePat In the Starting Line-Up

    Brady was in his second year and inherited a team that went 5-11 the year before and was heading towards a top 10 pick in the draft with Bledsoe. Cassel got his chance in his fourth season in a team that was 2 minutes away from a perfect record in 07. I don't really see how the comparison is fair.

    I'm not bashing Cassel, I think he will get better and has shown some promise, but right from the get go you could see Brady had something. Of course, we didn't assume he would become arguably the best QB in history just by watching his first six games, but he had some special qualities aside from managing the game. He almost single handedly won us that game againts San Diego in what? His third start?

    Cassel can lead this team to the playoffs with a slight improvement in his game, but we just really can't compare his start to Brady's beacuse the circumstances are completely different.
  12. Deus Irae

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    Since people are comparing the numbers.... here's some data from

    Brady was sacked 41 times in 2001.

    Brady finished the season with a passer rating of 86.5.
    Cassel currently has a passer rating of 86.8

    Brady finished the season with an int% of 2.9
    Cassel currently has an int% of 2.4

    Brady finished the season with a YPA of 6.9
    Cassel currently has a YPA of 6.6

    Brady finished the season with a 63.9 completion%
    Cassel currently has a 66.3 completion%

    Cassel is not Tom Brady, but you people constantly bashing the guy have really got to start thinking before you post. He's got the team to 4-2, and that's the 4th best record in the conference.
  13. TheGodInAGreyHoodie

    TheGodInAGreyHoodie Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Umm... if Cassel leads this team to a record of 6-10 or better, can we then say Cassel > Bledsoe.
  14. tombonneau

    tombonneau In the Starting Line-Up

    2001 vs. 2007 Pats teams are apples to oranges; however, I'm a Cassel supporter and really don't understand all the screaming and hair-pulling over his performance.

    The fact of the matter is the way the defense played this team would very likely have lost to Miami & SD anyway. Sure, they would have put up 24 or 28 points, but they still would have lost.

    The only thing that concerns me is that some point this season (most likely the playoffs) the team will have to win BECAUSE of Matt Cassel, and I'm not sure he is there yet. But hopefully by December he will be.
  15. Clonamery

    Clonamery Supporter Supporter

    Doggone it, I was hoping for some miracle transformation like those Chia Pets where you just add water and POW!, instant Tom Brady.
  16. Rob0729

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    My point of posting this isn't because I wanted to really compare Cassel and Brady, but to point out that Cassel may be getting a lot of unfair criticism. Cassel isn't Brady and never will be, but his start isn't significantly different than Brady's except Brady never got the piling on that Cassel gets.
  17. DefenseRules

    DefenseRules Pro Bowl Player

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    Sorry, I'm not going there. I think it's unfair to Cassel. I stopped comparing him to Brady a long time ago, because HE IS NOT TOM BRADY. I'm judging Cassel on his own play and abilities. Maybe that sounds old fashioned, but that's me. :)
  18. QuinielaBox

    QuinielaBox Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Cassell is not as good as Brady at making on the fly adjustments. He will improve as he gets more experience. The team will have to take some more losses and learn.

    I think he will be pretty good. I'm not expecting a Super Bowl appearence this year but I wasn't expecting one when Brady replaced Bledsoe back in 2001.
  19. upstater1

    upstater1 Pro Bowl Player

    Here's how tired I am of the Brady-Cassel comparison:

    I was more interested in the Spygate mail at the end of the column:

    I wrote to King:

    Peter, I didn't understand your answer about Ruvel Martin's comment about hand signals on tape. He said, "Our hand signals are on tape already," so there's not much to be gained by someone giving inside info on the Packers. You wrote that he was referring to the Patriots taping signals. With all due respect, what you wrote makes no sense. The Patriots aren't playing the Packers. Why would Martin make that comment in reference to the Patriots? I don't understand what you wrote. Are you saying the Patriots passed around videotapes of the Packers to other teams?

    Furthermore, there's a John Clayton article about the Dolphins taping the Patriots' signals and stealing them. The article is from 2006, and the NFL's Steve Alic is quoted in the article as saying, "That's football."
  20. I think people tend to forget that Matt is our.... backup QB playing this year. TB will be back next year as our starter. MC is the backup. Here is the one stat that matters:

    MC 4-2 .667 win percentage

    Avg backup QB expectation 8-8 .500 win percentage.

    How about comparing MC to the rest of the league backups?

    Call me a homer but MC doesn't compare to TB. OTOH, from my perspective, nobody else compares to TB.
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