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He is weak against the run because:
1) I have seen him play and seen him struggle against the run
2) During his career he has almost only been on the field in pass rushing situations. His coaches not putting him on the field to defend the run tells me something
3) When he has been FORCED to play full time his teams have not done real well. Not proof its his fault but another piece that leads to the same conclusion.

What are you looking for?
Hey, how about you hold yourself to your own standard and show me all the proof that he is a good run defender?

1) Sorry, but your assessment abilities mean nothing.
2) During his career, he's been a pass rush specialist because there were other players better than him, ahead of him, against the run. That does not make him bad against the run.
3) When EARNING the right to play full time, his team did not play well against the run. Unless you break down his individual play, this piece can only be inconclusive.

Sorry, but you didn't provide what was asked of you. Which is typical of you, Andy.
 
1) Sorry, but your assessment abilities mean nothing.
2) During his career, he's been a pass rush specialist because there were other players better than him, ahead of him, against the run. That does not make him bad against the run.
3) When EARNING the right to play full time, his team did not play well against the run. Unless you break down his individual play, this piece can only be inconclusive.

Sorry, but you didn't provide what was asked of you. Which is typical of you, Andy.

Haven't you heard, Andy is the expert of all things related to talent scouting. He knows the strengths and weaknesses of every potential pick up. He has apparently watched all the game film of EVERY player that the Pats are interested in. Interestingly, his gripe with all of the defensive players seem to be the same thing . . . he can't stop the run and blah blah blah.
 
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Bruins makes a good point. He could be bad against the run but because he didn't play the run often doesn't prove that. Pat williams is great vs the run but he wouldn't be in there if wilfork,ngata, and Hampton are. It does make you skeptical though but not 100% proof he can't play the run.
 
1) Sorry, but your assessment abilities mean nothing.
2) During his career, he's been a pass rush specialist because there were other players better than him, ahead of him, against the run. That does not make him bad against the run.
3) When EARNING the right to play full time, his team did not play well against the run. Unless you break down his individual play, this piece can only be inconclusive.

Sorry, but you didn't provide what was asked of you.

Psst...if you and Andy can stop arguing for a minute, look back a few posts and you might find what you're looking for.

I've also read various comments from NFC North fans discussing Anderson as an analogue to Clay Matthews, in regards Matthews' deficiencies in the running game. The way they tell it, Anderson was hot stuff as a rookie pass-rush specialist, so he was plugged in as a starter in year 2. The results were ugly because opponents learned to run right at him. He's been mostly a situational pass rusher ever since.
 
Haven't you heard, Andy is the expert of all things related to talent scouting. He knows the strengths and weaknesses of every potential pick up. He has apparently watched all the game film of EVERY player that the Pats are interested in. Interestingly, his gripe with all of the defensive players seem to be the same thing . . . he can't stop the run and blah blah blah.
And they're all just situational 3rd down players compared to his 3 down player bikinies. You then notice some of your postings go missing when his ire is drawn.

It's good to be a mod.
 
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What exactly is irrational about my argument? Other than you don't like it/?

What's irrational about your argument? Umm.. Everything.. As I've already proven.


That isn't my argument.
YOUR argument was that he started 14 games in 2007 so how could be possibly be a bad run defender. One, among all the different levels of that being irrational, is that the Bear defense, good vs the run the year before and after, was bad vs the run that year.
The way they played run defense is a better tool in assessing him than 'they started him 14 times, he must be good agaisnt the run'

Sorry, Andy. You're wrong. My argument was that he WON the job from Alex Brown, starting all 14 games in 2007 until his injury. Alex Brown was the starter in 2006. YOU were the one who brought up that Anderson couldn't have been good because the Bears run defense was poor in 2007 in comparison to 2006 and 2008. Sorry, but you cannot, under any circumstances, based the performance of a single player on a team stat like that.

My assessment was that he was SOLID. Not good. not great. SOLID. That's all I've said. Unlike you who is going around comparing him to Derrick Burgess.

You think that Anderson is closer to a guy who will play every snap, be one of the most versatile players on the team, and be good at every duty he is assigned on the field than to a guy who will be a situational pass rusher. (You know, like he has been his entire career)
You are calling my argument irrational?

You don't have the foggiest idea what I think because you are too damn busy making asinine assumptions about what have said and defending your opinion than actually reading the words.

OH, btw. When Vrabel got here. No one knew what we were getting since Vrabel had been a situational pass rusher in Pittsburgh. And, Vrabel had all of 7 sacks in 4 seasons with Pittsburgh and NO Starts. So, by your thinking, we should have never expected Vrabel to be good against the run or to be able to develop into the great all around player he became for the Pats.
 
Looks as if Anderson was signed to fill in for Banta Cain.
 
OK, I'll bite...

Greg Bedard:

Patriots sign DE Anderson, release Favorite - Extra Points - Boston.com

Andy Hart:

Official Patriots Football Weekly Blog | From the Hart: Friday afternoon practice notes

ESPN Chicago Bears Blog, 2010:


And a stat typical of a pass-rush specialist: In 77 career games, including 20 starts, Anderson has averaged just 1.4 non-sack tackles per game.

So let's turn it around. Why do you think Anderson can stop the run?


Thank you. Though the person from ESPN Chicago is wrong. He lost the job back to Brown due to injury. The injury he suffered in game 14 against the Vikings in 2007 and then the thumb injury that required surgery in the camp of 2008. Other than that, good info.

As for Bedard's analysis. You'll have to forgive me if I put little stock into it. When a media person talks about a 28 year old player as if he's 30 something, I have to question how much work he's really done.
 
Thank you. Though the person from ESPN Chicago is wrong. He lost the job back to Brown due to injury. The injury he suffered in game 14 against the Vikings in 2007 and then the thumb injury that required surgery in the camp of 2008. Other than that, good info.

As for Bedard's analysis. You'll have to forgive me if I put little stock into it. When a media person talks about a 28 year old player as if he's 30 something, I have to question how much work he's really done.

Yeah, Bedard & Hart could well have been just commenting on his reputation rather than any expert observation, but Anderson definitely has that soft-against-the run reputation. What sells me more than anything is discussion about Anderson by Bears fans who were so wildly optimistic about their new stud DE after his rookie season, then watched him crash to earth when asked to be a 3-down player.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I love him as a camp signing. Even if he's "just" a situational rusher, there could be a role for that kind of player on this roster.
 
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I'm just going to defer to Agent Smith on this one.
 
Yeah, Bedard & Hart could well have been just commenting on his reputation rather than any expert observation, but Anderson definitely has that soft-against-the run reputation. What sells me more than anything is discussion about Anderson by Bears fans who were so wildly optimistic about their new stud DE after his rookie season, then watched him crash to earth when asked to be a 3-down player.

Well, from the games I watched in 2007 (I love being able to DVR games), there was a huge breakdown in the Bears defense against the run for a variety of reasons. One of the biggest was not having Tank Johnson there. And that exposed Anderson to being solid, but not spectacular against the run. I can understand how Bears fans considered him "soft" since Anderson wasn't up to their expectations of Tank Johnsoon and Tommie Harris. The hand injury in 2008 defintely hurt Anderson's ability to tackle.

And by then, people also knew to focus on him on passing downs, since that was the only time he was coming in.

We'll just have to wait and see. If he's gotten worse and I only caught him in games he played well in, then I'll admit to it.
 
Well, from the games I watched in 2007 (I love being able to DVR games), there was a huge breakdown in the Bears defense against the run for a variety of reasons. One of the biggest was not having Tank Johnson there. And that exposed Anderson to being solid, but not spectacular against the run. I can understand how Bears fans considered him "soft" since Anderson wasn't up to their expectations of Tank Johnsoon and Tommie Harris. The hand injury in 2008 defintely hurt Anderson's ability to tackle.

And by then, people also knew to focus on him on passing downs, since that was the only time he was coming in.

We'll just have to wait and see. If he's gotten worse and I only caught him in games he played well in, then I'll admit to it.

I'd certainly love to be pleasantly surprised. He has the athleticism and by most accounts the work ethic to be a classic reclamation project. Besides, with a guy like Eric Moore lighting up training camp, anything's possible!
 
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That is a bold faced lie on your part. I know what I wrote. You clearly have issues with sticking to what was said and not what you think was said.

Oh really?



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I'm talking about the role he will play.
He certainly wont be playing Vrabels.


How do you know he won't be playing the same role as Vrabel? Because we, the FANS, have speculated that Anderson is going to be a 3rd down pass specialist?? :rolleyes:

Seriously, Andy. A little research on your part would go a long way.





So your 'research' comment was directly responding to me saying he won't play Vrabels role, and now you are saying its a lie that you said this?
 
I don't Anderson making the roster. As you say, anything can happen in the next four weeks. But for now, he is a badly needed camp and preseason LB body.

Besides how great a prospect does Andserson have to be to beat out Love OR Pryor? Most of us still have both Love and Pryor making the roster.

I'd certainly love to be pleasantly surprised. He has the athleticism and by most accounts the work ethic to be a classic reclamation project. Besides, with a guy like Eric Moore lighting up training camp, anything's possible!
 
I can say, with certainty, that you are 100% lying to yourself and everyone else regarding Mark Anderson and your supposed ability of assessing skills.
Why would I lie about my opinion?
Feel free to disagree, but that is my opinion, and its actually pretty consistent with the facts.

[quote[BTW, if you knew a damn thing, I liked him PRIOR to when he was drafted in 2006 [/quote]
If I knew a damn thing, who you liked when would be pretty far down on that list.


(which was also the date on the draft reports mentioned) because I actually watched him play. Saw 20 something games of his between his Sophomore and Senior years. How many did you actually watch?
Thats good. Maybe you should have called his coaches who consistently wouldn't put him on the field on running downs.




No, Andy. I didn't. This is you and your lack of reading comprehension. Sorry, but you can't even find a single post where I stated that you were basing your comments off of others speculations. I said YOU were a fan and it was YOUR speculation.
These were your words:


Originally Posted by DaBruinz
How do you know he won't be playing the same role as Vrabel? Because we, the FANS, have speculated that Anderson is going to be a 3rd down pass specialist


I think my reading comprehension is fine, but you are the first person I've met who needs remedial WRITING COMPEHENSION help.

I have plenty of discussions with intelligent people who actually act and think rationally. You aren't one of those people in this case. Also, that comment wasn't a "dooochbag" comment. It was me re-emphasizing that you made an assumption about what was said.
You insult everyone you speak to. Its tiring. You can state your opinion without making comments like that. It will take a little maturity, but you can do it.
How is my OPINION, which was backed up with facts, IRRATIONAL?



*Woooosh* That was the sound of the airplane flying right over your head, Andy. You clearly missed the point. Again, instead of reading what was said, you made some half-baked assumptions. YOU are the one who is claiming that your speculations are more right than anyone else. You are the one acting like YOU know more about Mark Anderson than anyone else. And YOU were the one stating as a FACT (not an opinion) that Mark Anderson was just another Derrick Burgess.

I have said nothing of the sort. I have quoted your exact comments so please return the favor and show me where I have said I am more right than anyone else. Where do I compare what I know to anyone else, aside from countering your claim that YOU do by saying I am quite confident that my abiity to assess the player is at least as good as yours.

You are now, in this thread, doing what you accuse me of (inappropriately) doing, by telling me your opinion is a better one than mine.
Which is it? Is what I am not doing, and you are doing still a bad thing now that you realize that?




Sorry, but everything I posted is reality. Unlike your spewings.
Congratulations. You must be proud of your performance in this thread.
 
I don't Anderson making the roster. As you say, anything can happen in the next four weeks. But for now, he is a badly needed camp and preseason LB body.

Besides how great a prospect does Andserson have to be to beat out Love OR Pryor? Most of us still have both Love and Pryor making the roster.
I dont think he is competing against the 300lb DLman.
 
Re: Texans' Board opinions on Mark Anderson

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There was no greater love shown for a player than many on the draft forum for Connor.
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Box and patchick will be very angry with you.:cool:

Didn't Barwin and Brady get at it in that 2009 season finale?
 
Oh really?

YES. REALLY.


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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson
I'm talking about the role he will play.
He certainly wont be playing Vrabels.


How do you know he won't be playing the same role as Vrabel? Because we, the FANS, have speculated that Anderson is going to be a 3rd down pass specialist?? :rolleyes:

Seriously, Andy. A little research on your part would go a long way.


So your 'research' comment was directly responding to me saying he won't play Vrabels role, and now you are saying its a lie that you said this?


*sigh* I will enumerate for you in hopes that you can follow things better since you can't seem to follow the conversation even when you quote it.

1) My research comment was not a direct response to you saying he won't play Vrabel's position. That's why it was a separate paragraph. The direct response to you saying that Anderson wouldn't be playing "Vrabes" was my saying:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...-sign-de-mark-anderson-page8.html#post2617760

"How do you know he won't be playing the same role as Vrabel?"



2) The research comment was a general one to tell you that you clearly don't know enough about Mark Anderson to be making the comments you are making. You've said absolutely nothing in this thread to lead me to believe you have any idea who Mark Anderson was prior to the signing by the Pats.

3) The LIE you said was that I told you to research the difference between Mark Anderson and Mike Vrabel. I never said such a thing. I never implied it. You are the one who assumed it. Why you assumed it, I haven't the foggiest. Nor do I care, honestly. All I know is that you are attributing something to me that I did not say.
 
After 12 brutal rounds its Andy "quit school because they had recess" Johnson scoring 6 rounds and D "never say die" Bruinz scoring 6 rounds.

Folks, this battle is going down to the wire.
 
What's irrational about your argument? Umm.. Everything.. As I've already proven.
In other words, nothing. Please feel free to explain how my argument is IRRATIONAL. I truly don't have a clue why you would say someones opinion of how good a player is (which by the way fits with his career achievements quite nicely) could be described as irrational.




Sorry, Andy. You're wrong. My argument was that he WON the job from Alex Brown, starting all 14 games in 2007 until his injury.
Your specific comment was how can he be bad against the run if he started 14 games in 2007. Do I need to keep going back and pasting in your comments for you to accept what you said?


[quoye]Alex Brown was the starter in 2006. YOU were the one who brought up that Anderson couldn't have been good because the Bears run defense was poor in 2007 in comparison to 2006 and 2008. Sorry, but you cannot, under any circumstances, based the performance of a single player on a team stat like that. [/quote]

OK. Try to follow along.
You said that he couldnt be bad vs the run because he started in 2007. I found that to be a silly comment, and also noticed the Bears run d was bad that year. Where did I base his performance on that? I just stated that your point was silly, in part because of that.
Put it this way. Joe Blow is a starting TE. Therefore he must be a good run blocker or he wouldn't start. Illogical conclusion. If ON TOP OF THAT his team was awful running the ball, it adds to the possibility that while he is out there, maybe he isn't doing a real good job. See, that doesnt say the running game is his fault, it accentuates the ridiculous argument that anyone who starts one year out of 6 must be good at every aspect of his position.

My assessment was that he was SOLID. Not good. not great. SOLID. That's all I've said. Unlike you who is going around comparing him to Derrick Burgess.
That is the first time you have used that word. Capitalizing it doesn't make it go back in time and get retroactively added to your posts.
Did I really compare him to Derrick Burgess? Really?
If you actually look at the post I compared his ROLE to Burgess. When someone mistook that for comparing him to Burgess I IMMEDIATELY cleared up that misconception and 3 times stated I was referring to his role. But you know that, you just can't find anything I've actually posted to fit into your insult pattern, so you need to make one up.



You don't have the foggiest idea what I think because you are too damn busy making asinine assumptions about what have said and defending your opinion than actually reading the words.
I know exactly what you think because you posted it. You said he is closer to Vrabel than Burgess. Now you say you didnt say it?



OH, btw. When Vrabel got here. No one knew what we were getting since Vrabel had been a situational pass rusher in Pittsburgh. And, Vrabel had all of 7 sacks in 4 seasons with Pittsburgh and NO Starts. So, by your thinking, we should have never expected Vrabel to be good against the run or to be able to develop into the great all around player he became for the Pats.
No. We should have assessed Vrabel as the player Vrabel was, and we should assess Anderson as the player Anderson is.
Anderson would be the same player whether Vrabel became a HOF or was cut in his first camp.
Vrabel was not proven to have the deficiencies that Anderson does.
They are different players. They don't even really play the same position. There backgrounds are completed different.

It is moronic to say that Anderson is better than he is because Vrabel turned out better than you thought he was.
 
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