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sounds like he is gunna move up the draft boards, i wouldnt mind spending a 3rd or 4th on him i think he can really help us. Two Welkers is better than one plus his return ability.
Not really, because you don't want them on the field at the same time. They'd be working the same area of the field, plus you'd have to go without a tight end and blocking back, so you're leaving Brady open to big hits.
Two Welkers is better than only if the first Welker gets hurt.
I can't see BB drafting this guy, it goes against his mandate on versatility.
This is absolutely not true, dryheat. The Pats could go with either a blocking back OR a TE in a 4 WR set. And they did that quite a bit this year with plenty of success.
Also, they don't have to be working the same areas of the field. Welker could be working the short inside and Jackson could work the deeper middle or work the short outside after having cut behind the outside receiver on his side.
Let's see.....5 lineman + Brady = 6. Add 4 WRs = 10. That leaves room for one RB, which I would assume is Faulk most of the time. Show me where my math is wrong. If the Pats are using Welker and Jackson in the slots, which is what has been proposed, where do we put a tight end? Lining up Watson out wide doesn't mean we have a tight end on the field to help block. I suppose we could go empty backfield with a wing back, but that would come at the expense of a running back in the backfield to pick up a blitzer.
Yes, I realize the Pats used a four wide formation many times this year....I'm not saying they can't or won't. But unless you want to use it as a base offense and run the hurry-up full-time (which I'm not opposed to), I don't see the value of picking up a Welker clone in the first four rounds, which everybody in this thread seems to be calling Jackson. I'd rather see Watson on the field full-time, and shift between TE and slot, as the situation calls for.
I like the WR corps of Moss, Gaffney (or another vet WR like Booker), Welker, and Jackson. Troy Brown and Kelly Washington could still be around for depth. I'm not opposed to adding a young WR, but if I'm using a choice in the top 80 picks, I want one who's been successful in a pro-style offense and has had success against NFL caliber cornerbacks. That's why Andre Caldwell is at the top of my list.
Again, perhaps Dexter Jackson is a special player. I just don't know that he is. I would have to watch 4-5 of his games and see him absolutely dominate against D1-AA competition to consider him. Maybe he did.
Let's see.....5 lineman + Brady = 6. Add 4 WRs = 10. That leaves room for one RB, which I would assume is Faulk most of the time. Show me where my math is wrong. If the Pats are using Welker and Jackson in the slots, which is what has been proposed, where do we put a tight end? Lining up Watson out wide doesn't mean we have a tight end on the field to help block. I suppose we could go empty backfield with a wing back, but that would come at the expense of a running back in the backfield to pick up a blitzer.
Yes, I realize the Pats used a four wide formation many times this year....I'm not saying they can't or won't. But unless you want to use it as a base offense and run the hurry-up full-time (which I'm not opposed to), I don't see the value of picking up a Welker clone in the first four rounds, which everybody in this thread seems to be calling Jackson. I'd rather see Watson on the field full-time, and shift between TE and slot, as the situation calls for.
I like the WR corps of Moss, Gaffney (or another vet WR like Booker), Welker, and Jackson. Troy Brown and Kelly Washington could still be around for depth. I'm not opposed to adding a young WR, but if I'm using a choice in the top 80 picks, I want one who's been successful in a pro-style offense and has had success against NFL caliber cornerbacks. That's why Andre Caldwell is at the top of my list.
Again, perhaps Dexter Jackson is a special player. I just don't know that he is. I would have to watch 4-5 of his games and see him absolutely dominate against D1-AA competition to consider him. Maybe he did.
The whole point is to get Jackson and Welker on the field at the same time, because then you cant double team everyone. Say its 3rd and 5 you go spread with Welker in the slot on one side and Jackson in the slot on the other side and Moss on the field too, you cant double team all of them. Brady would just have to look who is getting doubled, Welker is getting doubled so throw it to Jackson, 1st down. Watson isnt a reliable 3rd down target we dont throw it to him hardly anyway.
In the "No Sh!t Sherlock" department, or the "rampant cliche" department, you could replace "Jackson" with the name of any other wide receiver in the draft, free agency, or the Pats roster, and this would still be 100% true. Try it.
There's nothing (to me) that indicates Jackson is a unique, or even rare, player, and that he can do these things, but other guys can't.
In the "No Sh!t Sherlock" department, or the "rampant cliche" department, you could replace "Jackson" with the name of any other wide receiver in the draft, free agency, or the Pats roster, and this would still be 100% true. Try it.
There's nothing (to me) that indicates Jackson is a unique, or even rare, player, and that he can do these things, but other guys can't.
Also, the New England Patriots traded up for Chad Jackson in the 2006 NFL Draft.i'm sure it's been posted already, but today Dexter Jackson ran a 4.27.
Now he is going to go higher than he should and the pats will be forced to pass b/c someone will reach for him.
I always feel like whenever a player the pats are interested in has a great combine workout, they never get him b/c someone always reaches.
edit: (whoops, didn't Chad Jackson have a great combine?)
Also, the New England Patriots traded up for Chad Jackson in the 2006 NFL Draft.
I hope injuries have not zapped Jackson of that precious speed since he did not look "fast" on kickoff returns late this past season.Yea, but some scouts considered Chad Jackson the best WR in the draft, and some of those same scouts projected him as going something like 14th overall (I believe to the Falcons). He was durable, fast, a good route runner, had size, great hands, played in multiple offense with multiple roles, and had top level production (88 recepts in one season). So, if anything he slipped a little, and NE traded up because they believed he was very talented, and the best WR in the draft (BB even said this).
Remember, they almost took him at 21st overall, but decided on Maroney instead.
You're correct about his workouts though, he was impressive. I believe he ran a 4.32 forty.
I hope injuries have not zapped Jackson of that precious speed since he did not look "fast" on kickoff returns late this past season.
I hope injuries have not zapped Jackson of that precious speed since he did not look "fast" on kickoff returns late this past season.