Pats looking at Randy Moss?

[Remix 6]

You are helping me prove my point. Moss has been injury prone in each of the last three years.

Don't give me the Kerry Collins BS. In 1999, Moss got 1400 yards and 11 TDs with the combination of Jeff "freaking" George (played 10 games) and a washed up Randall Cunningham (played 6 games) throwing to him. In 1998, he got 1300 yards and 17 TDs with Cunningham. Moss has put up stud numbers in the past with a horrible QB and a washed up QB.

Stallworth has been injury prone..we still got him

u realize were not giving up a 1st ? Moss wants to restructure and be with us..he takes a big pay cut..WANTS to be here..and if Randy wants somethign he knows how to work to get it. Were giving up a day 2 pick or at least what we offered..we are not getting rid of 24 or 28 unless we swap 28 for 33 and give a 4th as well

 

[PonyExpress]

I would welcome a trade for Randy Moss. I believe he has alot left in the tank and has matured enough to contribute consistently to this team.

 

[patsox23]

Honestly, Moss for even a 3rd, if he's willing to restructure, is a STEAL.

 

[Remix 6]

+ Moss doesnt have glaring issues..he hasnt really spoken out even though hes clearly unhappy..he quit on the team beacuse the team quit before him. I watched RAiders vs Broncos and he was getting steps on Champ Bailey and if the ball was a little better..it was a big 6. Hes still got something

 

[MoLewisrocks]

NEW YORK (April 28, 2007) -- Oakland is sitting on two of the potentially biggest draft-day developments.

For starters, the Raiders have been calling New England, trying to engineer a trade for Randy Moss. The Patriots are interested and have offered a second-day pick for Moss. Raiders owner Al Davis shot down the Patriots' offer, believing he can get more. The two sides continue talking, hoping to hammer out a trade that seems less likely today than it did yesterday.

The Pat's didn't initiate it, they just do their due diligence each time the phone rings. Apparently as part of that they floated a low ball offer which could be a 2008 pick (if it's a "conditional" 4th as some reports indicated it would have to be). And that would be just the tip of the iceberg since Randy would likely have to be willing to restructure to the point he'd be making less than Deion Branch for the duration of his days (because BB is never going to carry a WR at a compensation cost greater than Seymour and just chump change less than the Franchise.

This is all just part of the slow dance that eventually lands him in the long suffering arms of Brett Favre. Now likely at the cost of a 2008 day 1 or unconditional day 2 pick from the pack.

I don't know why exactly but I think there will be rumors of a Moss to NE deal floating around until 2-3 years after he retires...

 

[Rob0729]

Yes, we should definitely hold a 1000 yard season against him in 2005. As for 2004, his missing 3 games is no excuse for not having 1500 yards receiving or better because some internet geek says so, and we all know that there's no way any decent receiver could have put up less than 100,000 yards with that Raider's team from last season.

Aparently, those three games he missed in 2004 were the ones where he was going to get 250 yards a game. Sorry, I didn't realize that. If I knew that, I wouldn't have said anything about his 767 yards for the rest of the season. He missed three games yet, he didn't get close to 1,000 yards when Culpepper was less than 300 yards short of 5,000 yards.

As for 2005, not holding it against him. I am using it as the watermark. A 1,000 yard season is average to slightly above average for a #1 WR. In 2005, 19 receviers had more yards than Moss and only 5 QBs had more yards than Collins. That makes Moss an average WR that season.

Again, tell me how Moss is elite still? You are making my point for me why Moss isn't that special. 2005 he put up respectable numbers, but not for an elite WR. He hasn't done anything else in the past three years.

 

[Rob0729]

Stallworth has been injury prone..we still got him

u realize were not giving up a 1st ? Moss wants to restructure and be with us..he takes a big pay cut..WANTS to be here..and if Randy wants somethign he knows how to work to get it. Were giving up a day 2 pick or at least what we offered..we are not getting rid of 24 or 28 unless we swap 28 for 33 and give a 4th as well

That's great! Just don't expect an elite WR. That is my point. Randy Moss is an average WR at this point and I don't think he fits well in our system. If we can get him on the cheap and use him in deep threat situations, that's great. I don't expect him to put up over 1,000 yards and I don't think he can be an every down starter.

We didn't give up anything to get Stallworth. Stallworth is younger and less injury prone and fits into our system and can be easily cut after the season.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Pat's didn't initiate it, they just do their due diligence each time the phone rings. Apparently as part of that they floated a low ball offer which could be a 2008 pick (if it's a "conditional" 4th as some reports indicated it would have to be). And that would be just the tip of the iceberg since Randy would likely have to be willing to restructure to the point he'd be making less than Deion Branch for the duration of his days (because BB is never going to carry a WR at a compensation cost greater than Seymour and just chump change less than the Franchise.

This is all just part of the slow dance that eventually lands him in the long suffering arms of Brett Favre. Now likely at the cost of a 2008 day 1 or unconditional day 2 pick from the pack.

I don't know why exactly but I think there will be rumors of a Moss to NE deal floating around until 2-3 years after he retires...

And if he ends up in Green Bay, as Favre is positive will happen, it's no skin off of my back. However, what hacks me off is some internet geek who thinks that he knows more than Belioli, given the amazing things Belioli have been able to accomplish during their Patriots tenure. If the Patriots feel he's worth something, he's probably worth something in their system. They aren't infallible, but they are certainly more likely to be right than "John" the wannabe GM who's geeking out on his computer.

 

[Remix 6]

That's great! Just don't expect an elite WR. That is my point. Randy Moss is an average WR at this point and I don't think he fits well in our system. If we can get him on the cheap and use him in deep threat situations, that's great. I don't expect him to put up over 1,000 yards and I don't think he can be an every down starter.

We didn't give up anything to get Stallworth. Stallworth is younger and less injury prone and fits into our system and can be easily cut after the season.

hes above average..hes not elite but hes above average..how do u know how much effort Moss has put last few seasons? I dont think his talent is gone..i just think he isnt using it

I dont expect 1000 yards either because we have so many weapons already but i do expect him as an every down starter..idk where ur coming from saying he cant be a starter. just wow

If he can start in Okaland with no OL..their top RB on Ir..no QB and still put up as many yards as Caldwell .. what can he do when you have a much better offense..the best QB..? I wouldnt expect a 1000..i just expect big contributions. We spread it around and with Stall-Watson-Maroney..i dont expect any WR to get 1000

 

[Deus Irae]

Aparently, those three games he missed in 2004 were the ones where he was going to get 250 yards a game. Sorry, I didn't realize that. If I knew that, I wouldn't have said anything about his 767 yards for the rest of the season. He missed three games yet, he didn't get close to 1,000 yards when Culpepper was less than 300 yards short of 5,000 yards.

As for 2005, not holding it against him. I am using it as the watermark. A 1,000 yard season is average to slightly above average for a #1 WR. In 2005, 19 receviers had more yards than Moss and only 5 QBs had more yards than Collins. That makes Moss an average WR that season.

Again, tell me how Moss is elite still? You are making my point for me why Moss isn't that special. 2005 he put up respectable numbers, but not for an elite WR. He hasn't done anything else in the past three years.

He had 767 yards in 2004. 3 games to make 233 yards seems doable for a 1000 yard season to me. And, given that I've not claimed that he was the Randy Moss of old, perhaps I simply believe that a 3rd rounder or lower is not too high a price for having a second "stretch the field" sort of receiver opposite Stallworth. I'm not claiming that this Randy Moss is the Randy Moss of Vikings fame. I'm simply not holding that up as a reason not to get him for a lower round draft pick.

 

[Rob0729]

He had 767 yards in 2004. 3 games to make 233 yards seems doable for a 1000 yard season to me. And, given that I've not claimed that he was the Randy Moss of old, perhaps I simply believe that a 3rd rounder or lower is not too high a price for having a second "stretch the field" sort of receiver opposite Stallworth. I'm not claiming that this Randy Moss is the Randy Moss of Vikings fame. I'm simply not holding that up as a reason not to get him for a lower round draft pick.

And I said that it isn't a bad thing to use a second day pick on the guy. We used a fourth rounder in 2004 on Ted Washington to be a first and second down specialist. Using a fourth round or lower is not bad for a veteran specialist.

I just don't buy this "the Pats are unstoppable if they get Moss". I don't think he is an elite WR anymore and I don't know if he can be an eery down WR for us. If we can get him for a fourth or a fifth and next to no cap space, then I won't be upset. I just ain't expecting this miraculous turnaround after three average to below average seasons of play (for a mortal WR).

 

[Remix 6]

And I said that it isn't a bad thing to use a second day pick on the guy. We used a fourth rounder in 2004 on Ted Washington to be a first and second down specialist. Using a fourth round or lower is not bad for a veteran specialist.

I just don't buy this "the Pats are unstoppable if they get Moss". I don't think he is an elite WR anymore and I don't know if he can be an eery down WR for us. If we can get him for a fourth or a fifth and next to no cap space, then I won't be upset. I just ain't expecting this miraculous turnaround after three average to below average seasons of play (for a mortal WR).

getting Moss doesnt mean Moss is gonna be amazing..i think it benefits our run game even more. 2 deep threats..Moss still gets double covered believe it or not from games i've seen.

that keeps defenses back..Maroney gets room..Watson-slot WR get room underneath. it helps the team in general not just Brady to Moss

 

[Rob0729]

hes above average..hes not elite but hes above average..how do u know how much effort Moss has put last few seasons? I dont think his talent is gone..i just think he isnt using it

I dont expect 1000 yards either because we have so many weapons already but i do expect him as an every down starter..idk where ur coming from saying he cant be a starter. just wow

If he can start in Okaland with no OL..their top RB on Ir..no QB and still put up as many yards as Caldwell .. what can he do when you have a much better offense..the best QB..? I wouldnt expect a 1000..i just expect big contributions. We spread it around and with Stall-Watson-Maroney..i dont expect any WR to get 1000

You can argue he didn't try in 2006, but why in 2005? It was his first year in Oakland and people before the season were talking playoffs for the Raiders. I will give you 2006, but the fact that he dogged it all is concerning.

I am just worried that Moss' attitude could be more of a negative than what positive he can bring on the field. I'm not convinced he is an upgrade over Stallworth. And I think there are other guys on this team better suited to compliment Stallworth as the other starter.

 

[Rob0729]

getting Moss doesnt mean Moss is gonna be amazing..i think it benefits our run game even more. 2 deep threats..Moss still gets double covered believe it or not from games i've seen.

that keeps defenses back..Maroney gets room..Watson-slot WR get room underneath. it helps the team in general not just Brady to Moss

i agree with you there, but you can't have two deep threats as your fulltime starters in an offense with Brady in it. That's why I don't think he could be a fulltime starter on this team and would more likely back up someone.

 

[Remix 6]

You can argue he didn't try in 2006, but why in 2005? It was his first year in Oakland and people before the season were talking playoffs for the Raiders. I will give you 2006, but the fact that he dogged it all is concerning.

I am just worried that Moss' attitude could be more of a negative than what positive he can bring on the field. I'm not convinced he is an upgrade over Stallworth. And I think there are other guys on this team better suited to compliment Stallworth as the other starter.

in 2005 he had 1050 YARDS! wtf do u want from him? wow? Kerry collins is not a good QB. They still had a bad OL..1000 yards is very good. u cant expect 1500 from top WRs wherever they go..

we have a lot of leadership on the team to control Randy from going nuts. Plus he restructures so it would be cap friendly and we can cut him if we want probably

hes not here to replace Stallworth..we dont need an upgrade. He is better than Donte anyways but were looking to improve offense.

idk why u gotta be so negative like yesterday

 

[Remix 6]

i agree with you there, but you can't have two deep threats as your fulltime starters in an offense with Brady in it. That's why I don't think he could be a fulltime starter on this team and would more likely back up someone.

just because they are deep threats doesnt mean they cant do anything else..steve smith is a deep threat but he also gets a lot of short passes..mid..everything

 

[PatriotNation]

in 2005 he had 1050 YARDS! wtf do u want from him? wow? Kerry collins is not a good QB. They still had a bad OL..1000 yards is very good. u cant expect 1500 from top WRs wherever they go..

we have a lot of leadership on the team to control Randy from going nuts. Plus he restructures so it would be cap friendly and we can cut him if we want probably

hes not here to replace Stallworth..we dont need an upgrade. He is better than Donte anyways but were looking to improve offense.

idk why u gotta be so negative like yesterday

Yes we have alot of leaders on this team but they are also getting older. We need to becarefull not to bring on too much negative attitudes as eventually they will overcome the positive leadership. One bad apple theory.

 

[Remix 6]

like it was said in the past rumors of Randy..we have too strong of a locker room for 1 guy to destroy it

 

[DefenseRules]

Wow Schefter just said again that Moss is adamant that he will NOT restructure his contract to play for any team but the Patriots. WOW!!

 

[Remix 6]

Wow Schefter just said again that Moss is adamant that he will NOT restructure his contract to play for any team but the Patriots. WOW!!

yeaaaaaa RANDY. SHOW EM WHOS BOSS.