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  1. SVN

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    1st sentence: History doesn't matter, right now does.
    2nd sentence: Right now doesn't matter, 3 months ago does.

    Also, every team in NFL history has been flawed.
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    Wow, that was utterly pathetic.
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    Why is it SO HARD for people to recognize that this is a completely different team now than it was in week 2? A far better team. The weak 2 loss and the week 13 victory are NOT equivlant.
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    Yeah, that's where I stopped reading. What a horrible way to start off an article.
  6. Sciz

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    If you stopped reading there, you missed these gems:
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    The whole article was mud. Toilet paper has a more useful purpose than the dribble the author put their name to there.
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    This guy is trying his hardest to throw away what the Pats have done.
    In addition to what everyone else has mentioned he said that we put up 31 or more points six times but it's ancient history. Hillis runs wild on us and that's not ancient history but in the four games since then we put up 39, 31, 45, and 45 it's ancient history.........:bricks:
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    I loled890
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    Yeah, the guy is stretching. Obviously he came into it with the attitude that he had to take every stretch of the truth possible to make it seem reasonable that the Bears could win.

    OTOH, he is right. Any given Sunday. The Bears defense is indeed formidable, not a cakewalk. Let's not be too clocky now. :)
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    Chicago sports has fallen a long way since the halcyon days of the 80s Bears and 90s Bulls. And I thought Boston media was bad.
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    Uggggh, tell me about it. It read like a 5th grade fanboy wrote it for a school project.
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    Horrible writing. But the overall premise is true. The Bears can beat the Patriots.

    Here's the problem for Chicago. The Patriots know they can clinch a playoff berth with a win. My guess is BB will be pushing all the right motivational buttons this week to ensure that fact is crystal clear.
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    Every god damn time some homer sports writer writes an article about the Patriots, they HAVE to throw in spygate at the end. I think it makes them feel better about their team..
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    This is what is irritating about the taping thing. It gave everyone an excuse for being in denial about the fact that the Pats dominated the league for most of the decade, and it opened a door for the insecure, rude trolls who need to lash out in order to provide some brief reduction of the desperation they live in. In other words, it led to a cluttering of the internet and TV screen.
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    What a shameful overreach that article was.
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    This article was effing terrible. It was very biased all the way through. Every time it mentioned a good thing about the Pats, it immediately follwed something bad about them. Reaching for each and every angle to try and find something beatable about the pats. You know what, I like the Bears and was hoping to just beat them reasonably but I hope we destroy them after reading this.

    Jay Cutler has only thrown 10 picks lately....was that supposed to be a compliment? Bears won't beat the Pats. We've played much better teams this year.

    They need to realize... Cutler is not a good QB overall. He's had maybe 4 solid games this whole season. The O-line is trash and a half. We will get some sacks this game, mark my words.
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    Sportswriting 101: Start with a premise that, by and large, favors (or at leasts casts in a positive light) your home team.

    Playing the Pats, most seasons, for most teams, the premise is "the game has not been played yet, hence we are still in a state of quantum flux. Whatever the pre-game odds are, there is a chance in excess of zero that we will beat the Pats."

    You build on the premise with whatever individuals (Mike Martz, Devin Hester, etc.) are available. You tell a little story about each that is familiar: Martz' system took time to learn and now is working. Hester confers an advantage because you don't kick to him, and confers a bigger advantage if you do kick to him. Rinse, repeat, using every facet of the home team that's been an above-average feature over the season.

    You give the opponent his due, and then say it ain't a sure thing. You talk about the opponent's commonly perceived flaws: a 19th ranked run defense, across the whole of the season... not a worse-ranked run defense earlier, becomming a better one in the past few games. Stats are easily manipulable using a favorite but plausible window of time. Run D will always resonate with Chicago, a town that's thrived on D with no O for decades. Just as an average or developing defense is feted in Boston, in Chicago a piss-poor offense becoming respectable is reason to celebrate. NE's suspect defense, a storyline nationwide, is predictable fodder to support the premise (and the writer's bread and butter.)

    It's a formula article. The main point of the article is, of course, absolutely true. The whole premise of the article is that since the game has not yet been played, the chances of a Bears victory is in excess of zero.

    That's why they play the games.

    Okay. Didn't learn a lot. I already know the home town likes to think it's chances are better than other writers acknowledge. I already know that narratives can be spun lionizing the local heroes. I already know that stats can be selected to support the premise.

    But if I'm from Chicago, I feel a little better now for a couple of days.

    Meh. Pathetic? I am sure it compares well to select Boston columnists during the down years... except in the down years Boston thought of the NFL as the fifth sport, after Baseball, basketball, hockey, and BC football, as I hear it. There's also a "why not" attitude to the article, whereas the Boston sports media seems to now thrive on a "let me be the first to talk about what's wrong with the Pats". The price of winning, I guess.

    Just gathering wool... this just doesn't seem all that different from most hometown sports media. You get rah-rah pieces everywhere.
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    Stupid article. Of course the Bears can beat the Patriots. Its football. Not because the Patriots are flawed in some unique and mysterious way. All the Bears have to do is play better than them...

    No game in the NFL is an automatic win, much less a game against a team like DA BEARS on a hot streak. Having said that, I like our chances.
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    Another thing... if its supposed to be windy as they are saying... I wish Cutler would start throwing passes. He is already bad with accuracy, I can't imagine him try to pass as much in gusty weather.
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    LOL! I prefer they NOT recognize it and think we are the same team that lost to the Jets and Browns, as opposed to the team that pounded Miami on the road on a Monday night, beat Baltimore, beat San Diego on the road, dismantled Minnesota, humiliated Pittsburgh on the road, beat Indianapolis, destroyed the Lions on the road and dominated the Jets on MNF!

    Please, please, please take us lightly Chicago, Green Bay, Buffalo and Miami!

    14-2 would be very nice!
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    I can't believe I just wasted 60 seconds of my life reading this article.

    How can I recoup this time?
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    Okay, I agree with his premise, but this was written like a second grader's homework assignment.
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    "The Patriots are almost unbeatable at home — Brady has won 26 consecutive starts at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, Mass. But guess what? They’re playing this Sunday at Soldier Field. Snowballs and noise, anyone?"
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    That last line.

    If any Patriots personnel is hit and injured by a snowball this Sunday, I hope this guy and his newspaper gets sued so badly they wish they were never born.

    Seriously, how does the management of the Sun-Times EVER let something like that get published?
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    Yes, that really bothered me too. Hopefully he just meant like we do at Foxboro, throwing snow up (vertically) in the air when the Pats score.
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    That was in Champaigne, Illinois - - Univ of Illinois.

    Soldier Field was being renovated at that time and the Bears played a season or two down south in Tony Eason's land.

    Great last minute win, btw.
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    Snowballs? Nope. That was snow fountains or just snow.

    No one uses snowballs just to throw them straight up in the air. It's clear exactly what he meant.

    And when he punctuates it with "snowballs, anyone?" that is a clearly inciting call by a major newspaper. The Sun-Times has a problem on its hands.
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    I hate the Jets. I love to make fun of them, their bloated gasbag of a coach, their vastly overrated, weak-minded QB, their elite-receivers-by-rep-only, and their soft diva of a running back, for example.

    But if I was a "professional" journalist, I could write an endless number of objective articles that would leave a reader wondering who I actually rooted for.

    Stuff like this is embarrassing.
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    This is probably the most insight I've ever received on the subject of journalism. Thank you.
    The article still sucks balls though.:snob:
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