Our recent draft picks vs. the Ravens' recent draft picks

[ClevTrev]

Re: Our recent draft picks vs the Raven's recent draft picks

So you enjoyed the game today?

Bingo, you said the magic word, "game." And if you just started following this team in the past decade, I might be able to understand the frustration. Get some history for perspective, say, since 1961.

 

[AJY the Jets troll]

Re: Our recent draft picks vs the Raven's recent draft picks

OK, Mayo came back too early from spraining his MCL. Good enough reason for a regression?

Sure. If that's the case he shouldn't have been on the field all season and our medical staff should all be fired.

It's a convenient excuse. Valid, who knows?

 

[AJY the Jets troll]

Re: Our recent draft picks vs the Raven's recent draft picks

Bingo, you said the magic word, "game." And if you just started following this team in the past decade, I might be able to understand the frustration. Get some history for perspective, say, since 1961.

You actually said "game" in your first post, oh sage one.

Either way, the past decade was great, the next one looks like Japan's economy in 1989, sun setting - due to a string of bad drafts.

 

[Brady to Brown]

Re: Our recent draft picks vs the Raven's recent draft picks

Ahh.. yes.. We lost a game and the crowd of "Know- More-Than-Belichick" comes out. First with the bad drafts garbage and then with Mayo not being a stud. Who cares if the guy has been playing a NEW POSITION (ILB and MLB are DIFFERENT) again and who cares that the Ravens felt enough of him to stick a GUARD and not a FB or TE on him most of the time.

As for all your blather about stats, please let everyone know when you actually learn about how this defense plays. Mayo doesn't get sacks because the defense, in the 4-3, doesn't bring the MLB on the pass rush. In the 4-3, Mayo isn't run blitzing either, so its kind of hard for him to get tackles for loss as well.. Mayo's job is to control the middle of the field. To make that stop if the D-line can't.

Mayo is still young and he's learning the 2 gap system. Not to mention the fact that he's over-coming an MCL injury from earlier. The expectations of the people on this board are ludicrous. Especially when you show how clueless you are to the defensive scheme and show you don't understand how the Pats are running their defense.

When is the last time he made a big play.

I already know what you are going to say "thats not his job"

I would trade Mayo for Ray Lewis straight up. Lewis makes plays. I would trade Mayo for David Harris straight up, Harris makes plays.

 

[PromisedLand]

Is there one single post in this thead that actually compares our recent draft picks vs. the Ravens'?

 

[Brady to Brown]

That's what scares me. We on boards like this and KFFL and fall in love with these LB prospects the last few years, we watch Bill pass on them and weep.

Trading back is where its at, its cheaper to pick up 3rd rounders than to pick high and spend all that money.

 

[Plunkett2Vataha]

There should be no debate on whether or not the Pats have bombed on most of their recent high draft picks.

 

[condon84]

Is there one single post in this thead that actually compares our recent draft picks vs. the Ravens'?

Did you see the game? Suggs, Rice, Johnson, Ngata, the entire Ravens' OL. All Ravens' draft picks within the last five years. All made major plays or contributions today.

What did our recent draft picks do? Mayo couldn't get off blocks or make one-on-one tackles. The Ravens ran right at him. Merriweather took the James Sanders class of tackling angles. Maroney was a non-factor. And all the other draft picks didn't even play.

 

[ClevTrev]

Re: Our recent draft picks vs the Raven's recent draft picks

You actually said "game" in your first post, oh sage one.

Either way, the past decade was great, the next one looks like Japan's economy in 1989, sun setting - due to a string of bad drafts.

Hah! On your 22nd post no less and you have all the answers. So which one is it, troll time for someone whose team's been consistently beaten by the Pats, a bored 12-year old with Internet access, or just wrestling with a very low IQ and want to think you're a real football analyst by posting here with baseless proclamations?

 

[BrownNServe]

comparing Mayo to Lewis is a stretch... no? of course most people would trade for him. Lewis is a perennial pro bowler and future HOF'er, no doubt one of the best MLB's ever. Harris, not sure. A lot of players perform well in Rexies system and prove to be useless/overrated elsewhere. Plus, those players have different roles on D than Mayo does.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Our recent draft picks vs the Raven's recent draft picks

Ahh...yes... the knee-jerk defense of BB. Fine throw the stats out the window and with your superior football IQ explain how Mayo has not regressed this season because that is the point.

It's not a knee jerk defense. It's called an educated one. You might want to go learn the difference. Mayo hasn't regressed. He's had to learn a different defense and different responsibilities. You'd know that if you understood that there is a difference between the ILB position and the MLB position. You also need to take into consideration that Mayo was also calling the plays this year without any veteran help. Last year he had Bruschi, Vrabel and Seymour in the front seven to help out. This year, he had Guyton, TBC and Burgess. One of which is a 2nd year player. One was new to the team and the other was a re-tread who hadn't played but very sparingly. Then, you add in the 5 weeks he lost to the injury, and its valuable experience he didn't get. Now, I also admit that Mayo still over-runs plays, but he over-ran fewer this year than last year. There were times he looked over-whelmed because of everything. But that is to be expected from a 1st year captain, 1st year calling the front seven adjustments, and 2nd year player. Did he improve? Over-all, yes. Does he still have work to do? Yep. Just like the other 60+ players who wore a Pats uni this year.

He was less experienced last season and was Rookie DPOY, we came to expect a level of play equal to or better than that in his 2nd year and it unequivocally did not. A beast doesn't get shut down like he did today, irregardless of scheme. A player finds a way to makes plays, especially in big games.

Clearly, you aren't too bright since you missed the parts about playing in a different defense (4-3 2 gap this year vs. the 3-4 2 gap last year). Not to mention you ignoring the MCL injury. Like I said. Ludicrous expectations and a lack of understanding of the scheme.

Bad-draft "garbage", are you kidding me. The cupboard is empty. The young talent on this team isn't stepping up and if you are blind to that then this discussion will go on and on because you can't talk your way out of the poor drafting by BB over the past several years which has left a void where elder stalwarts once were.

*ROFLMAO* The young talent isn't stepping up? Really? That sure looked like Vollmer out there at RT all game. That looked like Edelman out there all game. Butler stepping up on the kick returns.

BTW, only the ignorant like yourself think that the drafts have been poor "over the last several years". The Pats have had ONE "bad" draft and that was 2007 when they had 2 day 1 picks and traded the 3rd rounder for a 2008 2nd rounders after Stewart Bradley (who they were trying to trade up for) went off the board. Oh, yeah, that was the same draft that they added Moss and Welker via trades. And even people like Kiper don't ignore those additions. Prior to that, the last "POOR" draft that BB had was in 2000. And he added a Hall of Fame QB in the 6th round.

 

[Plunkett2Vataha]

Baltimore: 2006: Ngata, Chester, Landry all starters. 2007: Grubbs, McClain, Gaithers (supplemental pick) starters. 2008: Flacco, Rice, Gooden starters, Zbikowski. 2009: Oher starter, Kruger started some games.

New England: 2006: Gostkowski starter, Maroney. 2007: Meriweather starter. 2008: Mayo starter. 2009: Volmer, Butler, Edelman started some games. Ingram the LS, Chung shows potential, Pryor saw action. Except for Brace, looks like a solid draft.

 

[DaBruinz]

There have been obvious guys that we should have picked up but decided to go somewhere else. Spencer and Beason in 07, Matthews and Oher this past year comes to mind right away.

How would the Pats have gotten Spencer AND Beason in 2007? By not signing Wes Welker? By not drafting Meriweather?

So, who would be our WR opposite Moss and would would be the starting FS for the Pats? How do you know that those two would be performing as well in the Pats defense?

As for Matthews and Oher this year, you didn't watch Matthews too much, did you? Horrible against the run. Oher wouldn't solve the Pats problems at RG and Center. BTW, how can you be certain Oher would have been there in the 2nd round for the Pats to grab?

So, since you are better than BB, who should the Pats take in this draft and what will they accomplish next year as rookies in the NFL? I mean, you must be clairvoyant or something because that's really the only way you can say that Spencer, Beason, Matthews, and Oher would be doing awesome for the Patriots. Unless you are just talking out your arse with your 20/20 hindsight.

 

[j00fek]

another stellar post from patsfans.com

are you seriously comparing draft picks and hoping to validate thats why the pats lost?

G.M.A.F.B

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Re: Our recent draft picks vs the Raven's recent draft picks

ironically Harbaugh just praised the Patriots drafting and said the Ravens model themselves after the way the Patriots draft

What would you expect him to do? Point and laugh or give some bull**** political answer?

 

[condon84]

How would the Pats have gotten Spencer AND Beason in 2007? By not signing Wes Welker? By not drafting Meriweather?

So, who would be our WR opposite Moss and would would be the starting FS for the Pats? How do you know that those two would be performing as well in the Pats defense?

As for Matthews and Oher this year, you didn't watch Matthews too much, did you? Horrible against the run. Oher wouldn't solve the Pats problems at RG and Center. BTW, how can you be certain Oher would have been there in the 2nd round for the Pats to grab?

So, since you are better than BB, who should the Pats take in this draft and what will they accomplish next year as rookies in the NFL? I mean, you must be clairvoyant or something because that's really the only way you can say that Spencer, Beason, Matthews, and Oher would be doing awesome for the Patriots. Unless you are just talking out your arse with your 20/20 hindsight.

Beason or Spencer instead of Merriweather. LBs are the playmakers of the defense we play. We should have picked up one of those guys instead.

I would rather take Matthews or Oher than Brace and Chung, but that's just me.

And there go again accusing ANYONE who criticizes BB that they think they are better than BB. Dude, BB makes mistakes. You know, he's just a regular guy right?

Are you BB's son?

 

[Plunkett2Vataha]

Re: Our recent draft picks vs the Raven's recent draft picks

What would you expect him to do? Point and laugh or give some bull**** political answer?

Have to admit, that was a good one!!

 

[ClevTrev]

Seems the tolls have arrived, AJY=Colts, Plunkett2Vataha=Ravens, any others?

And by the way Plunkett2Vataha, which Patriot picks do you actually consider recent and high? If your going to troll and make that argument, you better come loaded with information and identify the veterans these "recent high draft picks" would have displaced. To attempt to compare two different teams' draft picks is really over the top, and requires more background information about the overall roster and cap situation than I think you'd care to address.

 

[condon84]

Seems the tolls have arrived, AJY=Colts, Plunkett2Vataha=Ravens, any others?

And by the way Plunkett2Vataha, which Patriot picks do you actually consider recent and high? If your going to troll and make that argument, you better come loaded with information and identify the veterans these "recent high draft picks" would have displaced. To attempt to compare two different teams' draft picks is really over the top, and requires more background information about the overall roster and cap situation than I think you'd care to address.

Pats draft best player available and irrespective of the position they play, draft picks get paid by the slot they are picked.

The Ravens have picked better players than the Pats recently. It's really not hard to comprehend.

 

[DaBruinz]

Baltimore: 2006: Ngata, Chester, Landry all starters. 2007: Grubbs, McClain, Gaithers (supplemental pick) starters. 2008: Flacco, Rice, Gooden starters, Zbikowski. 2009: Oher starter, Kruger started some games.

New England: 2006: Gostkowski starter, Maroney. 2007: Meriweather starter. 2008: Mayo starter. 2009: Volmer, Butler, Edelman started some games. Ingram the LS, Chung shows potential, Pryor saw action. Except for Brace, looks like a solid draft.

First and foremost, every talent evaluator, from BB to Kiper has said that you don't get the true feel of a draft for 3 years. So, evaluating the 2008 and 2009 drafts (of which the Pats had 12 of 19 on the roster. 4 on the IR and 1 on the PS)

You forgot to add Welker and Moss to the 2007 draft.

From 2006 through 2008, the Pats had 24 draft picks. Of those 24, 11 came in the 6th or 7th round. I believe that they only have a 10% chance of making teams. The highest pick the Pats have cut is a 3rd rounder in O'Connell.

During that same period, the Ravens had 28 picks. They've hit on some and missed on others. Including 3rd round picks Yamon Figurs and David Pittman.

Below is some more information

2006 - Willie Andrews - Special teams ace for 3 years before he got in trouble in the off-season.
2006 - Le Kevin Smith - Solid back up and special teams player
2006 - Ryan O'Callaghan - Started 6 games his rookie year before injuries took their toll on him
2008 - Jonathan Wilhite - was the #2 corner by the end of his rookie year. Also started games in 2009.
2008- Matthew Slater - Special Teams ace

Brace saw action in 2 games when Wilfork was out. And he was solid, but not spectacular for a rookie. He was expected to be a project, in all honesty.