Now DaBruinzzzzzz pops up with more of Deus' irrelevancy from two pages ago and and lolDeus resurfaces with a wikipedia lesson on Due Process and more insisting that Goodell has the legal right to discipline the players (which I stated in my very first post).
Deus you seem like a moderately intelligent person but you are clearly stricken with debilitating arrogance. You have once again posted a long, bloated pile of silliness that amounts to nothing. You can continue on with your straw man and internet due process research if you want, but it doesn't seem like you understand much of anything I've said here so I'm going to move onto better things.
How long ago that something was posted is what is irrelevant. Secondly, you DID post, several times (i picked two0, that the Players should be entitled to due process, and implied that it should be regardless of what was agreed to in the CBA.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...alks-out-bounty-gate-hearing.html#post3063603
They may not be entitled to "due process" in regards to the CBA but that doesn't make it right; we have due process in our legal system for a reason. Without it you have ht potential for one guy like Goodell to hold a kangaroo court solely for the purposes of mitigating future lawsuits, and then only making certain evidence available.
Only an idiot would think that Goodell is doing this out of spite and is running a "kangaroo court". You forget that Goodell answers to the owners. If you think that Goodell did this without talking to the owners first, you clearly are too drunk to be worth talking to.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ut-bounty-gate-hearing-page2.html#post3063744
TyronePoole said:
So why do you think we have due process enshrined in the constitution then?
Basically you and everyone else who rants constantly about Goodell being power mad are now saying that Goodell's accusations are automatically believable only because those who he accuses have zero legal recourse. Pretty bizarre logic.
.... (extraneous straw man BS erased)....
The reasons for due process don't change simply because the forum does. And there's a whole host of different reasons why analogizing regular businesses and contracts to the NFL is faulty (monopoly), not the least of which is the hypocrisy of "fans" who spent the entire lockout lambasting players and giving the owners a pass only to turn around now and criticize the players for not having dug in their heels hard enough.
No one has said that Goodell's accusations are automatically believable. That is you being too stupid to follow logic. Goodell has evidence. He showed that yesterday to 12 different reporters and they all said it was pretty damning of the players and the Saints organization.
The players have "legal recourse" as determined by the CBA. Maybe if you educated yourself on the CBA instead of ranting against Goodell and showing yourself to be nothing but a player-lemming, you'd know that. It's pretty amazing that the players followed part of that "LEGAL RECOURSE" by going to the Special Masters (people determined by the NFL and the NFLPA to be impartial) already, only to have the special masters rule against them. I suggest you go to Article 43 of the CBA and brush up because it gives specifics on what and how the players go about filing a grievance.
As for your last bit of rambling about the "hypocrisy of the fans", You clearly weren't here during the CBA discussions because Deus was FIRMLY in the players side. As were many other people. Myself, i was on the fans and owners side.
BTW, there are situations where Ted Cottrell and Art Shell are the administrators of discipline. For on-field issues. But the special Masters ruled that this situation dealt more directly with the Salary cap than it did with onfield issues.
So the idea that Goodell is this KING of discipline and such is just bogus by the players and by the people supporting the players.
