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  1. Snake Eyes

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    Not necessarily - I've seen the Saints three times this season, and they've conceded a lot of pressure up the middle. Kreutz has been a fair old liability from what I've seen - and they have the former Draft forum binky Matt Tennant lined up in reserve.
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    I don't think it's classless at all. To call it quits if you feel you aren't performing up to your normal standards..
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    What's classless about it? He didn't say the Saints lacked passion, he said he did. Classless would have been collecting a paycheck when he knew his heart wasn't in it.
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    Would it be 'classless' if the Saints cut him for his 'lack of passion'?
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    If his head wasn't in it, then he shouldn't be playing- he did the right thing. And he wasn't very good anyways, so I doubt the team will be too negatively impacted.
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    Maybe we can pick him up, whip him into shape a la Hyanesworth and have him ready for the playoffs.

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    Agree completely. It's the opposite of classless. Classless is mailing it in and still raking in millions in the process.

    If a guy has the means to retire and wants to call it quits, maybe spend more time with his family, and not put his body through punishment anymore, how could you ever call any of those things classless??
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    Tough decision to turn away those millions but he has already banked a lot of money and I can respect it. I doubt this affects the Pats draft pick from the Saints that much. They'll plug in someone else, and Brees is still a top tier QB.
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    This might come as a surprise to some of you but there actually have been people in history who have dug within themselves and honored their commitments even though they 'no longer had passion' for it, it's called 'having integrity'.

    If he's not playing well the Saints have the option of lowering him on the depth chart or of letting him go, if he wants to spend time with him fammily the peoper time to leave is after the season is over, if you do that you're not screwing over your teammates who are relying on you to do what you agreed to do.
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    ...and if they cut him, they'd still owe him his full $2 million salary. He chose to give that up, instead of just playing crappy and taking home his guaranteed paycheck.

    After 14 years in the league, he realized he just couldn't do it any more. I'd think hard about what that man has put his body through before saying he has no integrity.
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    A) We're talking about playing a game, here. Not anything that has any overwhelming value to society, so I think you're being a touch melodramatic.
    B) The aforementioned game often leaves one's body destroyed at the conclusion of one's career, so I don't think any of us who haven't played a decade+ in the NFL are in a position to question whether a 14 year vet should suck it up or not.
    C) His level of play is not irreplaceable, he is doing no huge disservice to his team.

    By the logic in your argument, no player that plays at anything approaching mediocre levels should be allowed to retire from a team while under contract, ever. I'm not sure if you want to make that argument.
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    When a man can no longer do something, it isn't classless to say so and act accordingly. It is honest.

    Contracts are made and signed with the best intentions of both parties. But sometimes, life interferes with honoring them to the end.

    In my opinion, admitting weakness is a sign of strength. It's only the weak who need to pretend they are strong when they're not.
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    Umm, there's a difference between 'not having a passion' for something and 'realizing you can't do something anymore. I've done PLENTY of things I didnt have a passion for, some were out of necessity, others from commitment, which is very different from being physically unable to do something.

    Also, I didn't say 'he has no integrity' only that that action lacks integrity.

    I'm thinking that most people would think an employee classless if they upped and quit their job other people they work with are then compromised as a result, but if well known athlete does it then we measure them differently.
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    - His teammates might not think of it as just a game, this kind of stuff impacts careers and lives and I don't think it should be simply dismissed. Also, in what parts of society should actually honoring your word be expected and in what areas should we not expect it?

    - He never claimed that his body was wreaked and he wanted to further limit damage as the reason for his decision, he said it was a lack of passion. Please don't impose your own ideas on his words, his words should be able to stand on their own.
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    Hmm.. First you claim he was classless. Now you are claiming he lacks integrity because he'f rather not sit on the bench and just collect a paycheck. Money that could be used for someone else.

    Contrary to your very narrow view, I find that Kreutz has a ton of integrity for going to Payton and laying it out that. That he doesn't feel that he's helping the Saints and would rather not be around than be a distraction.
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    Would you rather he do this?

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    If only Adalius Thomas and Moss would have let us know their hearts weren't in it anymore...it might have helped.

    I bet there is an Olin Kreutz hiding in denial on just about every NFL team roster....but few with the guts to do what Olin did and few to admit that they are earning money but not really wanting to play for it anymore and knowing that his feelings might hurt the team down the road.

    I say Kudos to Olin for a selfishness admission and best of luck in his post career endeavors.
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    I don't think either are very good, leaving announced v. leaving unannounced. I really don't feel bad for him because he didnt fit in and was having problems adapting, they're being paid very well to be professionals, and that means dealing with frustration and discomfort.

    Take Ellis Hobbs for instance, he was a less than stellar CB for I can't fault his character or integrity at all, in the 07 run he played throughout the season with numerous injuries and very likely had tremendous pain as a result. I doubt he had much passion for the game that that point.

    As BB is fond of saying "Do your job", I doubt it's always a game to those guys, it's likely often a job, sometimes going out on that field is torture depending on their health, yet many find it within themselves to do it. Kreutz does not deserve to be thought of on the same level as those guys.
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    No way this generate any movement. It was apt for this thread given the week that this was and nothing else. I don't think he is trying to revolt or stir anything up. It was all just good fun. The humor might be lost on those who missed the thread and might take offense.
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    We're Patriots fans, we're not suppose to know about class. We should consult the expert on everything that is class through Ladanian Tomlison.


    Now that I got the sarcasm off my chest, it takes alot to walk away from the game and if his heart isn't in it, then I say he did the right thing (though I bet the organization wished he had figured it out sooner).
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    You are telling others not to impose their ideas on his words, yet you go right ahead and impose YOUR ideas on his teammates. That's rich..

    I find it funny that you go from calling the guy classless, to claiming his actions have no integrity, to claiming the guy isn't honorable. That sounds like someone throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks..

    How do you KNOW he never claimed that is body was wrecked? Because the article didn't mention it? Hell, how do you know that wasn't part of the reason he lacked the passion. Also, who the hell are you to act like you are owed some sort of explanation beyond him no longer "having the passion for the game?" Seriously, you are a no name fan from another team who is clueless about what was actually said to Payton and Loomis. None of that was released.

    YOU should not impose YOUR ideas on his words. Which you have done through-out this thread. All you've proven is that you are a hypocrite.
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    It depends on how it was handled. Did he just walk away without a word, never to come back? Was it something discussed that they agreed upon? Did they ask him to stay?

    Employees quit all the time. Leaving without notice is improper or "classless." Giving proper notice is not.
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    According to ESPN, he told his agent, then met with Payton and Loomis who tried to talk him in to staying, but still decided that he couldn't do it anymore.

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    - "His teammates might not think of it as just a game..."

    I said "might', I'm not imposing anything, learn to read.


    - "this kind of stuff impacts careers and lives"

    This is an objective fact, it does impact others, the fact that Payton tried to convince him to stay should be a clue.


    No, it's because there's quite a bit of overlap between all those terms, how often do people without honor have a lot of integrity? Yet again, learn to read.

    Ok, so because I don't know he didnt claim a wreaked body I should automatically assume that's the case? Please refrain from ever serving on a jury.

    Yeah, not assuming things = imposing your ideas? Learn to read, take a class in basic logic.
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    Well, what makes a certain degree of notice "proper"? I think it's very relative to how replaceable the person is, if it's a position that doesnt require a lot of specialized knowledge or skill then 2 weeks might be plenty, more time would be reasonable the more specialized and scarce a replacement is.

    As far as the proper time for a starting NFL Center, I don't know but I'd imagine it's not in the middle of the season.
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    Based on what I read there and heard on the clip, Snake isn't off base. Although as this board often underscores, society these days often is. Sounds to me like Olin is pretty self absorbed. Left the team he wanted to retire with because they wouldn't pay him more and then left the team he signed on to start for and notified them that's what he was planning on the day after the trade deadline because he's just not feelin' it... But won't file his retirement papers because as his agent hints you never know when he just might start feelin' it again...
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