OT: Jonathan Taylor requested Colts to trade him (Edit: RBs unhappy around the league)

[Ivan]

Yegads. Welfare for the NFL. You get paid for your value. You have a budget and build the most effective team possible within the budget. Should you do the same for Free Safeties? I have to strongly disagree with this.

In the NFL you get paid according to what you are worth. Unless you are an owner, then you get an equal share of the pie, regardless of what you do.

 

[Family]

You are arguing that the player that is the most expendable should get more money, which must be taken from other players because it’s not fair to them that they are expendable.

Nope. Nothing to do with being expendable.

I'm arguing that a position having shortened careers relative to others because it's not in the best interest of the game to protect them, be protected in earning power in the form of enjoying free agency once in their prime.

 

[Ring 6]

Nope. Nothing to do with being expendable.

I'm arguing that a position having shortened careers relative to others because it's not in the best interest of the game to protect them, be protected in earning power in the form of enjoying free agency once in their prime.

It has everything to do with being expendable. If they weren’t you wouldn’t want special rules for them, because you wouldn’t need them.
It has nothing to do with protecting them.
The reason they don’t get paid big second contracts is because they are easily replaceable.

 

[gobesmug]

It has everything to do with being expendable. If they weren’t you wouldn’t want special rules for them, because you wouldn’t need them.
It has nothing to do with protecting them.
The reason they don’t get paid big second contracts is because they are easily replaceable.

They aren't expendable otherwise teams wouldn't spend 1st rd picks on them but instead wait until the 7th rd like most teams do for special team players.

The problem is the short shelf life.

If Jonathan Taylor was guaranteed to have the same production for the next 5 years he would probably get 17mil/yr. The problem is history says he only has about 2 years left of his current production left with a steep drop in production after that

 

[Pape]

They aren't expendable otherwise teams wouldn't spend 1st rd picks on them but instead wait until the 7th rd like most teams do for special team players.

The problem is the short shelf life.

If Jonathan Taylor was guaranteed to have the same production for the next 5 years he would probably get 17mil/yr. The problem is history says he only has about 2 years left of his current production left with a steep drop in production after that

Expendable? No.
Replaceable? Yes.

 

[Ring 6]

They aren't expendable otherwise teams wouldn't spend 1st rd picks on them but instead wait until the 7th rd like most teams do for special team players.

The problem is the short shelf life.

If Jonathan Taylor was guaranteed to have the same production for the next 5 years he would probably get 17mil/yr. The problem is history says he only has about 2 years left of his current production left with a steep drop in production after that

You just explained why they are expendable. Sympathy doesn’t change the facts.

 

[Ring 6]

Expendable? No.
Replaceable? Yes.

Potato, potato (a saying that comes through really poorly in writing lol)

 

[Ring 6]

They aren't expendable otherwise teams wouldn't spend 1st rd picks on them but instead wait until the 7th rd like most teams do for special team players.

The problem is the short shelf life.

If Jonathan Taylor was guaranteed to have the same production for the next 5 years he would probably get 17mil/yr. The problem is history says he only has about 2 years left of his current production left with a steep drop in production after that

You understand the larger point is that someone is arguing they should be paid more, which would come at the expense of other players, because of that.
How do you reconcile that?

 

[gobesmug]

You just explained why they are expendable. Sympathy doesn’t change the facts.

Expendable denotes the idea that a position is plug and play and it doesn't matter who sits in the backfield.

That is not accurate as elite RBs make a huge impact on the offense as a whole.

The problem for elite RBs is not the impact they have while elite, its the limited window in which they are able to make that impact.

Normally an elite player, at a high impact position like RB, has the opportunity to earn a big payday for their first FA contract.

For RBs, since their prime is shortened by the nature of their position, have now lost the ability to get that 1 post rookie big contract that all other positions get.

No one is saying that any random ave RB should get paid more than they are worth, but it is obtuse not to realize that great young RBs are getting shafted

 

[Ring 6]

Expendable denotes the idea that a position is plug and play and it doesn't matter who sits in the backfield.

That is not accurate as elite RBs make a huge impact on the offense as a whole.

The problem for elite RBs is not the impact they have while elite, its the limited window in which they are able to make that impact.

Normally an elite player, at a high impact position like RB, has the opportunity to earn a big payday for their first FA contract.

For RBs, since their prime is shortened by the nature of their position, have now lost the ability to get that 1 post rookie big contract that all other positions get.

No one is saying that any random ave RB should get paid more than they are worth, but it is obtuse not to realize that great young RBs are getting shafted

So we are going to do that thing where you make up definitions for words?

How are they getting shafted? They get paid what their value is perceived to be. That value includes durability, and ease of replacing.

Artificially altering the rules to pay them more than their value makes no sense.
The argument literally becomes huge turn mire money because no one thinks they are worthy more money.

 

[gobesmug]

So we are going to do that thing where you make up definitions for words?

How are they getting shafted? They get paid what their value is perceived to be. That value includes durability, and ease of replacing.

Artificially altering the rules to pay them more than their value makes no sense.
The argument literally becomes huge turn mire money because no one thinks they are worthy more money.

No you are making up definitions. If Jonathan Taylor was expendable the Colts would just cut him to set an example or trade him for a 7th rd pick to draft any RB since the positron has zero value according you

 

[Ring 6]

No you are making up definitions. If Jonathan Taylor was expendable the Colts would just cut him to set an example or trade him for a 7th rd pick to draft any RB since the positron has zero value according you

I didn’t make up definitions, I used the word, you tried to make up what it means.

RBs are expendable. Facts show that. That does not mean they are all the same, it means teams value the position as one where paying them highly and keeping them long term is low priority.
There are plenty of examples all across the league. If Taylor wasn’t expendable he would get whatever he wants, which he will not.

 

[crownontherocks]

 

[sb1]

A great QB can turn a bad team into a great one quickly. I'd say a great RB can't do that by himself at least not in 2023.

Chubb is great. The Browns were not a good team when they picked him and have won one playoff game since he arrived and finished under .500 three times.

Barkley is great. What have the Giants won with him?

That's why RB's are not perceived as high value as other key positions IMO.

 

[Ring 6]

A great QB can turn a bad team into a great one quickly. I'd say a great RB can't do that by himself at least not in 2023.

Chubb is great. The Browns were not a good team when they picked him and have won one playoff game since he arrived and finished under .500 three times.

Barkley is great. What have the Giants won with him?

That's why RB's are not perceived as high value as other key positions IMO.

This idea that one player wins by himself have become pervasive on this board.

A QB isn’t going to win without a running game, blocking and people to throw to, as well as a defense.

The league has decided through rule and emphasis change to force teams into throwing the ball more than ever. Yet the average team still runs about 43% if the time.
Chubb hasn’t won because he plays on a bad team. QBs who play on bad teams don’t win either.
Everything matters. A team with a good defense, running game, ol, receivers and a bad qb will win. But you won’t think the qb is bad because all those other pieces set him up to succeed, like Purdy.

QBs matter more because in the critical moments of a game their ability to make a good decision and execute it is usually the difference maker.

 

[Uptown]

Riiiiiiiight..



Much better fit..

 

[Zuma]

Riiiiiiiight..



Much better fit..

Agree. Less then zero percent we’re paying him.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Agree. Less then zero percent we’re paying him.

yea if we gave up draft capital and a huge contract for a RB and not WR, id lose my mind