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    Re: OT: Brady's got nothing on Henry.

    Nine children with nine different women?! :eek: I love this quote from his lawyer: Edlin said Henry wants to be a good parent. "I know these are a lot of kids, and there might be some questions about it," he said, "but he's a really committed father."
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    Re: OT: Brady's got nothing on Henry.

    "fathered nine children by nine women in four Southern states and has been ordered by various judges to provide child support for seven of them, according to court records involving one child living in DeKalb County.

    DeKalb Superior Court Judge Clarence Seeliger this week ordered Henry to provide $3,000 a month for the Lithonia boy he fathered out of wedlock three years ago with Jameshia Beacham, now 29.

    Henry isn't the most thrifty guy, according to court records, so the judge wants to ensure payment by establishing an unusual $250,000 trust that Henry must fund by next spring.

    Seeliger wrote that the football player displayed "bad judgment in his spending habits," dropping $100,000 for a car and $146,000 for jewelry. Meanwhile, Henry fell behind on support payments for his child with Beacham that were mandated by a previous order. Threatened with jail, he borrowed $9,800 from his former team, the Tennessee Titans, to pay the bill, according to court records."
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    Just lovely what has become accepted conduct these days.
    And yes, I'm being judgemental.
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    Re: OT: Brady's got nothing on Henry.

    No kidding. After the first, say, 7 or 8 illegitimate kids most guys start thinking contraception, no? :rolleyes:
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    Re: OT: Brady's got nothing on Henry.

    Clearly, Henry's not a Trojan man...

    I definitely see some endorsement opportunities. He could use the free product...
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    Re: OT: Brady's got nothing on Henry.

    The writer obviously had a sense of humor.....

    >>>>[FONT=&quot]Records show that Henry's children are scattered across both the American and National Football Conferences — including Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee and Georgia<<<<<

    Rumor has it that NBA star Shawn Kemp is miffed about being knocked out of first place and is working on regaining his position..............


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    There is absolutely no reason for that. It is completely irresponsible.
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    So when Brady does it, it's "everyone is doing it..." and "do you expect him not to have sex, etc....".


    But when Henry does it, it's a problem?
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    Wow.

    What a clever agent provocateur you are. :D
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    The responses to this are so obvious that I have to assume you're just trying to pick a fight.

    When Tom Brady leaves behind a long train of kids by many different women and faces court judgments for failure to pay child support, we'll talk.
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    While I agree that many here have rationalized Brady's misconduct because he's OUR Tom Brady (yet his own Dad was rightly critical of his son's situation) there is a substantive difference in pattern of behaviour, 9 kids by 9 different women, AND lack of support payments.
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    Really? And what's the cutoff number before we get to note the obvious double standard here?


    I guess we just give Brady a Mulligan for this one, is that it?
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    Um, Tom had a committed relationship with the mother of his child for a couple years before she became pregnant.

    To be compared to Tom's situation, Henry would have needed to be in committted relationships and having children every two years since he was 10 years old.

    Unless that's the case, you're trying very hard to lump two very different situations together that don't belong.
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    Brady knocked up a woman without being married and left her for another woman. Now, he either did this already knowing that the mother-to-be was pregnant or hopped from one bed to another with barely a pause to catch his breath. Exactly how 'commited' do you consider that?
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    So you're saying they were together for two years and did nothing? The first time they had sex was the night she got pregnant and Brady bailed? He was with her for two years just to get her in the sack for that one night and it went bad?

    I've never suggested that we should build a golden statue in Tom's honor for his wonderful actions, simply that his situation does not come even remotely close to what Travis Henry has done or many other people in average society.

    Tom broke up with the mother, not the child. As many mentioned the last time this argument came up, being in a loveless marriage isn't better for a child than having split parents. A man doesn't fly across the country to witness the birth of his child and then wants nothing to do with it.
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    Who cares how long they were together? They were obviously having sex up until the very end. The difference between Brady and Henry is a matter of degree, not kind.
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    If Tom was to get his new girlfriend pregnant and they were to split up, then I would definately have much stronger feelings against him. I think you saw that on this board months ago when the false rumors came out that Gisele was also pregnant.

    I don't have strong feelings either way on what happened in the end with Bridget but many reports do suggest that the relationship was ending and it is very possible that she tried to get pregnant to get him to stay. It was said that Tom was very surprised by the news of her pregnancy.

    That doesn't sound like someone that took off when she got pregnant. Not one single report has suggested that he left her when he found out about the baby.

    As I mentioned, Tom flew to California to see his child being born. That's much different from "Oh your pregnant? Bye, I'll send you a check."
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    Do you think back on what you've written? You'd rather impugn the name of the mother regarding getting deliberately pregnant with absolutely no evidence at all than simply admit that what Brady did was wrong and that he should be given criticism just as Henry is.

    And flying to watch your kid being born when you're not going to be around to raise him doesn't mean a damned thing.
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    You are either a person trying to gain attention via playing devil's advocate very badly or extremely stupid.

    It's not a matter of degree, it's a matter of personal responsibility for ones actions. The lack of responsibilty that both he and the women showed prior to conceiving these children and the lack of responsibilty Henry shows having to be dragged into court to pay for the care of these children Care which will be financial only, as I can guarantee you he will be unable and unwilling to play the role of nurturing father for nine seperate families.

    Let's see, who am I going to give the benefit of the doubt to?

    A guy whom has conceived one child out of wedlock, but has shown the utmost commitment to him and the mother......or

    A guy whom has taken part in creating nine seperate families and shown no commitment to anyone other than himself via investing in huge amounts of decorative bling and on top of that, as court records show, being completely financially irresponsible?

    Let's see, 9 different baby mommas, Hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bling and lots of legal trouble.......

    Oops, I better stop or I might be accused of "stereotyping".
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    How do you know he won't be around to take part in raising him. Apparantly you can take a ton of leeway in judging Brady's character based upon scant evidence but you can't make judgement on Henry by expounding on mountains worth of evedence.

    I'll tell you what.....when Brady exhibits SIMILAR overall irresponsibility, you'll havd an argument. Until then, you really sound silly.
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    Ok, genius, now I'm cowed.... :rolleyes:


    Henry - Has children with women he's not married to and leaves

    Bady - Had a child with a woman he's not married to and left

    No, sorry, no difference there except in the numbers..


    Really? Has Brady dumped his model and gone back to try to work it out with the mother of his child? Has he bought a place right next door so the kid can see him every day? When he's vacationing with his Brazilian lass, is he actually spending the hours thinking about how he'll redesign the house to make it childproof and analyzing the latest car seat safety tests? Has Brady sworn off all women and sex until his newborn son is properly raised and ready to face the world? Is knocking up mommy and then moving right on to another woman setting the kind of example for little Brady that shows the "utmost commitment"? Please...


    Given that Brady has not yet had the chance to be financially irresponsible, I'd say this is a stupid argument on your part. We already know that Brady was irresponsible enough to knock up a woman he was having enough problems with that he left almost immediately afterwards given the time frame involved.


    Again, Henry having a greater number of progeny running around without a true and commited father doesn't mean that Brady doesn't also have a child in that situation. It's a matter of degree, not kind.
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    Actually, since my point is that Brady isn't above criticism, this doesn't apply at all. The evidence isn't scant, it's conclusive. He knocked up a woman, out of wedlock, dumped her and moved on to another woman while the first was still pregnant. He either knew Bridgett was pregnant when he left or didn't go back to try making it work out after he found out. Either way, he left the mother of his child alone and pregnant. Apparently that point is too advanced for you to grasp when the person involved is a player on your favorite football team.
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    This issue here is nine is way more than one - or are you not able to recognize what numbers are and what they mean??

    The issue also is that of responsibility, seems to me Henry has totally shirked his while Brady, by his actions, takes his quite serious. Brady was there for the birth of his child, has offered his emotional support to the mother, will certainly take care of his financial responsibility and most important, will be a loving father to his child. How do I know that last part?? It's easy, read his comments of those his his father about fatherhood.

    As for Brady bed hopping - I guess you must have been there to be able to tell us that this is how it all came down? You should write a book then. Have you ever thought for a second that the relationship was over from Tom Brady's perspective but Bridgette felt the need to answer the call of her ticking biological clock and maybe, just maybe duped him a tad relative to birth control??

    Why don't you just fess up to the real reasons why you hate on Brady so much. It's guys like you and Danny Boy that turn this place into a laughable gossip column.

    Dues Irae meet Danny Boy, you two deserve each other.

    Of course you must be so lost in your bizarre would of androids and sci fi, you would not know what reality is if it whacked you right between the eyes.
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    I told you I don't have strong feelings either way on that. I don't 100% feel that Bridget got pregnant on purpose. At the same time, I don't 100% feel that Brady took off after finding out she was pregnant.

    All I was saying was that reports suggest that it's possible. Tom and Bridget were in a celebrity relationship and you know that means that a lot of stuff gets out into the public. I never read a single thing suggesting that Tom knew about the pregnancy before they broke up. I have read that they were breaking up before the news of her pregnancy and Tom was surprised to hear about it.

    The way I was raised was no sex before marriage. That's my belief. However, I'm smart enough to realize that it is a lost cause in mainstream USA. It's not going to happen 100%. I don't want to go up to Tom and shake his hand for having sex while unmarried, I just don't want to punch him in the face for it either.

    Because I realize that sex is going to happen, it's easier for me to look at situations rather than just throwing everything that involves marriage-less sex into one large mustake.

    If Tom had dated Bridget for a month or two, she got pregant and he left for Gisele, then dumped her after a couple weeks and was on to someone else, then I would definately be very disappointed in him. That's not what happened though.

    Hypothetical question. Let's say that all nine of Travis Henry's children were conceived in a span of one year. Can you honestly sit there and tell me that Tom Brady deserves equal criticism to a situation like that?
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    One is a matter of "there but for the grace of God go I."

    Nine is obviously the result of a conscious and harmful choice by Mr. Henry, the consequences of which will affect nine families (and counting) for the rest of their lives.

    You sir, are an idiot.
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    "Has Brady sworn off all women and sex until his newborn son is properly raised and ready to face the world?"

    huh?
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    I'd say that about wraps it up. I'd be all for letting it end here.
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    You are conveniently painting a picture that is false, and that in itself is where your argument fails.

    You keep saying, she got pregnant and Brady dumped her. That is not the case.

    This is what gets my ire up. "Some People" work very hard to smear the image of people who are for the most part decent folks, and work equally hard protecting the image of thise whom are obviously flawed/bad individuals.

    The only similarity you have between Brady and Henry is that they both conceived children out of wedlock and are no longer emotionally involved with the mothers.

    The comparisons ends right there.

    What you don't seem to understand...because you aren't a genius like I am is the most important part of all of this is how these individuals react after these situations occur.

    Upon further investigation, both Brady and Henry reacted "predictably".
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    Here's what it comes down to for me.

    Tom fathered one child out of wedlock. It's not the most ideal situation, but it happened.

    Henry fathered NINE ******* CHILDREN out of wedlock by MULTIPLE partners. What's worse, apparently he hasn't been exactly Johnny on the Spot with the child support payments.

    That may indeed happen to Brady (though I doubt it). But with all due respect, anyone who can't see the difference between making this "mistake" once and making it NINE TIMES with MULTIPLE PARTNERS either can't grasp reality or has a deeply flawed sense of logic. In other words, dumber than a bag of hammers.

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