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    wish this happend to the nba instead.
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    Page 1 of the training manual:

    "You see that guy wearing 18? Yeah when he throws it downfield and its incomplete throw a flag for PI."
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    Yuck.

    Just pay them enough already, and more than in the past so that being a referee can be a full-time job.

    People hate to admit it, but quality officials are majorly important to the game, and they would be better at their job if it were not a side profession for them.

    I am not looking forward to having replacement referees.
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    Rule #1 for the new guys should read....

    Watch for #31 Ravens - Immediately throw a flag for Unsportsmanlike Conduct and a 15 Yard penalty if you see him even come close to the knees or lower. :cool:
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    I was hoping Rodney Harrison was going to become a referee soon,this would be a good time to show his interest.
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    As bad as the officiating has been in the last few years, could scab refs be any worse?
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    Not sure where you get this, but people have been calling for full time quality referees for YEARS. The NFL and the NFLRA are the ones who have balked at it.. Keeping the hacks we've got.
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    BTW, here is the NFLPA weighing in:

    Per Adam Caplan:
    The NFL Players Association is concerned about the NFLs decision to lock out professional referees and recruit scabs to serve as referees in NFL games for the 2012 season. In 2011, the NFL tasked officials with increased responsibilities in protecting player health and safety and its search for scabs undermines that important function."

    I find this so hypocritical of then when they are in the midst of the bountygate scandal.. But, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. They always want to blame the NFL/Owners for everything..
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    Why are the refs against full-time status? Weird.
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    Not sure I agree with the assumption Scab Ref = Bad Ref.

    There are a very limited number of NFL Ref jobs and I would think there are more than enough qualified seasoned refs to replace them and I would even think that some are better just haven't got their chance yet.

    I will admit I dont know all that much about the process of becoming a ref and the process to keeping your job at the NFL level (can you lose your job for not grading out as a good ref? I know they grade refs to determine who gets playoff and SB gigs but do they use this to bring you back or not?).
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    Don't know nearly enough about the two sides differences to assess blame for this situation, but there are likely a lot of experienced "scabs" in existence given the size of the pool these hunred or so part time pros are drawn from is pretty substantial... I have a feeling their union :rolleyes: will realize that pdq...
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    Aren't they making 150K-200K already? Despite what some would say, this really IS their full time job. What else do you call something that provides 99% of your net income? What would we have them do during the off-season anyway? Watch training videos? Engage in health & nutrition regimens? Most refs are just messing around with parenting, PTA meetings, football camps, and start-up businesses until the season starts. A "full-time" designation would do little to improve the on field quality. All it would do is remove the "real cause" everyone spouts for their teams woes season after season. Refs are humans. Humans make mistakes. You get some calls, you don't some calls. They really DO even out over a few seasons. Just live with it, move on.
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    A bleacher report article from 4 years ago said that he average NFL official was at that time paid $27,000 per year, a far contrast to the $128,000 an NBA official received at the time.

    Granted, the NBA plays far more games than the NFL, and the NFL official works less, but this disparity is rather large.

    NHL officials, on average, earned $139,000 annually in 2008; Major League Baseball officials, on average, earned $141,000 annually in 2008.


    The NFL Needs Full-Time Officials | Bleacher Report
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    That's what I keep doing back and forth on. Which position holds true?:

    A) These refs suck anyways, let them walk.
    B) Replacement refs, somehow, would be even worse.

    Hard to say which side of that fence I come down on.
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    No, that's what they make in all the other major sports leagues. NFL officials make far, far less. Probably because they only officiate a fraction as many games.
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    Legally speaking, the NFLPA is a union, which is why they had to vote to decertify and become a professional association before filing an antitrust suit against the NFL. They recertified as a union prior to ratifying the CBA.
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    Then I look forward to their spokesman explaining why they don't have to honor any ref picket lines.:)
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    Pdangle - Sorry, but you really don't know a damn thing about the refs. Most of them are not doing anything of the sort. Most of the referees are successful businessmen and several of them are lawyers who make quite a bit of money. Your attempt to make them into some kind of "Weekend Warrior" is pretty pathetic.

    The reason that people want them to become full-time is so that they can be held to stricter standards regarding their physical fitness, including eye-sight. Not only that, it's so they can review film on a regular basis so they can actually see what they missed. Just like the NFL players do..So they can improve. What you clearly have no concept of is that the quality of the referees has gone down significantly over the past decade and this was on display for everyone to see during the Steelers/Seahawks SB. Hell, that whole series of play-offs was marred by numerous bad calls in just about every game. And I am not talking about minor things. I am talking about MAJOR, game changing calls..
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    Officials in other sports can't really have another full time job. Whereas most NFL referees do, be it as CEO's or private small business owners or Attorney's or Insurance Agents - and they make more at their real job than they do persuing what is basically an avocation. That is why they don't want to be full timers. They basically work 2 days a week including travel time for up to 26 weeks including some instructional work at camps and officiating pre season tilts.

    How much does a nfl referee make
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    There's no need for being an NFL official to be a full time requirement.
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    Problem is you have just as much of that if not more with the leagues employing full time officials... And that tends at times to create a situation like the NBA is facing where fans feel that the leauge truly is effecting the outcome of games based on pre determined league driven goals (promoting elite talent and more marketable teams). It also makes it harder for a league to discipline or direct or even get rid of incompetent union employees making six figure salaries out of the gate. You often saw that in the past (don't know these days since I no longer follow the sport) with arrogant umpires calling games as they saw fit.
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    I do think the refs last year adopted more of a "Let the players decide the game" attitude once the playoffs started. I wish they could have this attitude all season long.
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    Why not? Anything that can potentially improve the quality of game should be explored.
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    If what the league is contending is true, wow, what a bunch of dummies another union is leading around by the nose... Does De have a younger brother??

    Sounds like they have been making more coin than most folks thought and were in line to make even more.



    League’s response to NFLRA’s contentions | ProFootballTalk
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    But the question remains, can it? It hasn't in the NBA or MLB. Although I think the added burden of skating backwards makes it a must have for the NHL...
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    Because they're not in the same union. Sometimes unions have sympathy strikes with other unions, other times they don't.
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    Because an official calls fewer than 20 games a season. You don't need to have this become a full time job for 20 days a year.

    As an aside, here's an article on the officiating....

    For NFL officials, scrutiny begins long before kickoff - USATODAY.com
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