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  1. zippo59

    zippo59 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    I don't agree. The only defensive players who can be considered "up there" are Rodney Harrison, Tedy Bruschi, and Junior Seau, none of which you can really say that their age is really showing through in their play. Harrison has not been his past self but that is most likely due to his injury, and there is reason to beleive his play will improve as his injury improves.

    Other than those three players, the rest of the defense is relatively young. Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Jarvis Green, Mike Wright, Rosevelt Colvin, Mike Vrabel, Tully Banta-Cain, Ellis Hobbs, Eugene Wilson, Asante Samuel, Artrell Hawkins, and James Sanders are all either in the prime of their careers or have yet to enter it. I agree the defense has not played particularly well but I don't think you can blame it on the players being old.
     
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    Sometimes you have to wonder if they actually look things up before they spout it off to millions of people.
     
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    Yeah we're too old, that's it... we should have signed Law and McGinest.. that would have fixed it!:D
     
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    The trouble with the Patriots defense is simply that they are not good

    enough. Junior Seau is not as good as Ted Johnson, and Ellis Hobbs

    and Asante Samuel are nowhere as good as Ty Law.
     
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    The defense seemed to be pretty good last year without those two players.
     
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    On the whole this is wrong. Very young on the D-Line. Overall, we're still young in the secondary at corner and safety with Wilson, Hobbs and Samuel.

    I do have to say that the day is coming (soon) when a bit of an overhaul is gonna be needed at LB. Tedy (33), Seau (37), Vrabel (31). Colvin just turned 29 and seems like he's gonna be good for awhile. Outside of that the only youth we have his Woods, who's a developmental project and TBC.
     
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    There aren't that old. They just need more team speed. Through the first three weeks of the season I have noticed how fast a lot of defenses are and then I look at the Pats D and they don't seem very fast at all.
     
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    We'll show them this week end in Cinci. We'll drop the Hammer on Carson and his cohorts. Right?
     
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    Amazing that these guys get a paycheck on a regular basis, if they said it was too small, too slow it may have some merit... but too old makes no sense.
     
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    I agree. But I think sometimes team speed and youth are tied together. not always, but there is a correlation. I noticed your last point while watching Jax and Indy on NFL network last night. Jax has some real speed at their LB positions which is really the main place I think we lack speed.
     
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    Good point about team speed. I noticed the Broncos LB's seemed way faster than the Pats LB's. I really think the whole reason the Pats couldn't run on the Broncos was the Broncos LB's were just too fast for the Pats blockers. The Broncos D Line wasn't really the problem, from what I could tell. The Pats defense would do well to really try to improve their speed in the future.
     
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    I don't wonder that at all.

    I know they don't bother, it's obvious.
     
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    Exactly...i saw the pitt defense harass palmer...i doubt we can do that just because we dont have the speed of pitt..
     
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    They followed that up and said that the Pats miss AV, likely. However, they cited the two blocked fg's, one of which did not seem to be completely on the kicker but rather had at least something to do with the blocking. Are you telling me that AV would have made that one? Let us also remember how horrible AV was the first few weeks of his rookie year.

    BTW, nothing on how Ghosts' kicks are reaching the endzone while AV's were lucky to get to the 10.
     
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    They were doing that with their linemen though. I think the Pats can exploit that. Go 4-3 and turn em loose!
     
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    honestly, at this point, why is what the media says taken so seriously?

    they are constantly proven wrong all the time, so why even care what they say?

    it's like trusting the weather will be what the weather man says it will be.


    it should only be watched for casual amusement, IMO.
     
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    The defenses that are "fast" often are good at getting pressure on the QB but not so good at stopping the run. Examples are Indy, Buffalo, and even Denver (they allowed a lot of rushing yards in their two games before us.)
     
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    I don't think it's the age I think it's the lack of talent at CB. If the DB's can't cover well it won't make the QB hold the ball a bit longer. As it is now the QB's just toss it up and the WR out jumps Hobbs and Samuels for the ball.
     
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    That is my fear for Sunday. The db's cover relatively decently but as soon as there is pressure, Palmer just lays it out there for his guys. I suspect we'll see a lot of nickel and cover 2 this weekend.
     
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    I don't see how our DB's have somehow gotten worse from the end of last season and the playoffs where they were playing very well to now. In your minds, what has changed? The only difference is Harrison. He he playing so badly that the entire secondary is suffering?
     
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