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    Kevin, I normally don't classify you with the rest of the national idiots, but your account of the Suggs hit on Brady is ridiculous.

    Suggs took three steps and went low on Brady's knee. He wasn't pushed. He didn't stumble. The only reason we're not talking about Brian Hoyer starting for the rest of the season is because Brady was fast enough to move his leg and minimize the contact. If he wasn't, you'd be screaming about Suggs' dirty hit. It's a penalty, and it's been a penalty for years...WAY before the "Brady rule" that no one in the media apparently understands.

    Also, your timeline is a little off. The official is reaching for the flag as soon as contact was made. By the time Brady turned around (as ANY QB would have) the flag was already being thrown. Watch the replay, because it's painfully obvious that you haven't.

    By the way, Harrison already said that he was joking. He even told Brady about it beforehand, and Brady thought it was funny. See, you learn these things when you actually pay attention to a story that you plan to write about. Just a thought.

    But if everyone wants to get back to "real" football, I suppose no one will have a problem with removing the penalties for crackback and cut blocking, for example. Enough babying these defensive guys.


    I just can't let this issue go, it seems. :)
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    Yeah, I don't get what people are seeing. Mike Mayock was saying he thought it was a bad call, which surprised me - granted, he might've just been trying to appease his co-host of Playbook, former Ravens coach Brian Billick. It was blatantly obvious that Suggs was diving at his knee - intentional or otherwise - and if it weren't for Brady moving, there probably would've been an injury. As Synovia wisely said in another thread, you have to penalize the action, not the result.
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    Imagine how Peyton (and the media) would have reacted and how Polian would have howled if that had happened against the Dolts ... just wait, the Ravens and Colts play each other later this season. :)
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    This incident reminds me a bit of the tuck rule. All the constant whining and moaning from the media will do nothing to change the rules or how they are applied because the powers-that-be in the NFL are 100% behind the rules and the reasoning behind them.
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    The NFL rules are damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    If it hadn't been flagged, we'd all be screaming about the blind ref's, bending over backwards to not appear biased.

    The best teams, with the best players will always be in the spotlight, and will always be hated by someone. They can't all be loveable underdogs.
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    I don't know. After a week of arguing this position all week I am starting to see the other side of the coin. I still certainly think Suggs is guilty of a dirty play and was intentionally going for Brady's knees but I am just not sure if there was a penalty there.

    We say you penalize the action, not the result and we make the case that Brady is only still standing because he was fast enough, but what if brady was even faster? What if he moved fast enough that he totally avoided contact? Do we still penalize the action? I don't think so. I think the relevant issue here is contact and the rule states that it needs to be forcible. Was it forcible? Probably not and as such I am thinking the penalty should not have been called.

    That being said, I still think it was a dirty play and should have been fined because the intent was there to hurt another player. That is where I think the league is messed up on this issue by doing the total oppisite.

    As for all the hemming and hawing in the media they are totally missing the boat. At worst this is a bad ticky tacky call on a miss applied rule. At its core the rule is sound and is seeking to prevent forcible contact with a QBs knees which is consistent with rules seeking to protect other players knees.
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    Well-said. I can't let it go, either.
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    The problem here is where were the media monkeys after week one when we got called for the Wilfork/Thomas penalties? Those two were worse than either Ravens calls.

    This is only a problem because it's Brady.

    Notice nobody mentiond the Mike Wright penalty. Can anyone guess why?

    The danger here is that the league caves and it becomes open season on Brady'd knees.
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    I disagree - I stand by the notion that you have to penalize the action and not the rule, especially when it comes to a rule designed to protect a player. Suggs dove right at Brady's knees - to me, what happens after that just doesn't matter.
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    Let us know what he says. I can't imagine this joker gets more than a handful of emails per day.
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    The Ravens were bleating about the calls, and that's the difference.
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    exactly!!!
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    Go to NFL.com and read some of the message boards. People are really jumping on the "Brady is a sissy" bandwagon over there. As many times as he has been hit in his career and bounced up, and they take this one call and blow it out of proportion. A lot of those "internet warriors" are even quoting Rodney Harrison and saying his own teammate thinks he is a "skirt wearing pu$$y". Thanks Rodney. Harrison has to realize that words have power on national television and even though he may have been joking, he's added to the anti-Patriots fervor that is going on. The average football viewer is not smart enough to realize that their viewpoint is being manipulated by the media, and that the media hates the Patriots.
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    So that's the difference? Seriously, Tom Brady is the lighting rod in this story. It's Brady's perceived preferential treatment that seems to be the theme of every media story out there on it. Everybody is piling on that bandwagon. The Raven's whining contributes to it to a small degree but that's it.
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    Brady adroitley stepped out of the way and pointed to call attention to a near miss that could have ended his career. Manning would have stepped out of the way, fallen to the turf in mock agony clutching his leg, drawing a flagrant foul and a fine/suspension of Suggs, gone off for one play, then come back on the field only to be hailed for his bravery and toughness in the face of possible debilitating injury.
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    the guy is an idiot....

    thats all
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    Given that it was Brady who's knee was involved in this incident, what would you expect? If this had been Peyton instead of Tom, people would be talking about how Manning is getting overprotected.

    It's all about the bleating of the Ravens. The rest is just typical media piling on.
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    If people think Brady is a sissy, fine. That sentiment, like other anti-Patriot sentiments, will rise to become accepted among NFL players. Let them think that at their own peril.

    As long as the competition is focusing on whether or not Brady is a sissy, or gets preferential treatment, they're not focusing on the game plan and that can only benefit the Pats.
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    How many WRs have you seen calling for a flag when a tiny DB taps them before the ball gets there.

    At least with Brady, it is usually some big boys coming after him.
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    Manning might be a similar lightning rod but the media piling on is has more to do with the fact that it's Tom Brady than it does with the Raven's bleating as you put it. The media now has another excuse to drag out a non story for the Patriot hating nation. Peyton crticism would likely be confined to Patriots fans and a few conference rivals....Cripes Polian would be proposing a Peyton knee touch suspension clause, lol.
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    Whatever is going to sell the most stories, get the most ratings, is what the media will do. We should know that by now. Whether something makes sense or not.

    Ray Lewis, amongst other things, is a gang-banger involved in a double homicide, so I'm not sure that if, logically, we should really pay much credence to his opinion on the violence of the game (I'm sure if he had his way, you could stab QBs and get away with it). But nothing in the sports media really needs to be all that logical.
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    This story is really pissing me off. Today I had a normally sane and football savy coworker ask me why Tom Brady was such a pu$$ie that he had to have the Tom Brady rule called on a play where Ray Lewis never even touched his knee.

    I couldn't help ripping him a new one for having no idea what he was talking about...

    1) wasn't the Brady Rule
    2) wansn't Ray Lewis
    3) Sugggs actually tried to end his season, but Brady dodged *most* of the impact and it was still enough contact to draw a flag, especially given the intention

    Seems like the Raven are getting rewarded for being a bunch of whining babies and the mediots keep pumping out the misinformation while the dumb masses are too stupid and/or lazy to look at the play closely themselves.
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    New England Patriots 27 Baltimore Referees 21

    That's all that matters. Everything else is BS. On to the next game ...
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    Well, we disagree on this issue.
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    This current ferver is being caused both by the Raven's bleating and by the lightning rod that is the NE Patriots. The two of them together has set off this rather blatent crap storm. Those of us closest to the situation can see how the media is manipulating this by only casting these two plays into question while totally ignoring everyone of the other 22 RTP penalties called this year. If this truly were a referendum on whether RTP were over the top or not then all of those plays would be reviewed, someone would tell us which QBs get the calls and which don't. None of that has been done. This is just a story to get hits.

    That being said, I'm over it. Like I said before, at its worst its a single bad call in a game. Big deal. Happens every game. Who cares. As for the idiots on the NFL message boards, just tell them to stop whinning.
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    Does anyone expect anything different anymore? Whatever miniscule advantage the Patriots receive, it's going to set off a firestorm from the media/ the other team. When the Patriots are the victim of some bad calls (Buffalo) there is no mention of it. I don't know why it's surprising. When Kobe Bryant whines about calls, and the refs call a foul, does that get ignored? Of course not. When the Charlotte Bobcats get a big call to win a game, does anyone care? Of course not. Teams like USC, the Lakers, the Yankees, and the Patriots will always be nitpicked for as long as they have their iconic players and coaches. That's the way it is, and the way it always will be.

    By the way, not one major media article mentioned that Mike Wright's penalty was exactly the same type as Ngata's. Is anyone really surprised?

    Also, it's funny that everyone is crying because Brady turned to the ref and "lobbied" for the call. I've never seen Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, or any quarterback in the NFL, ever, at any time, complain to the refs or make a case that there should/ should not be a penalty.
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    My reaction to the Brady is a Pu$$y is this "yup, he's a pu$$y a pu$$y you would love to have on your team".

    I was in Cleveland for the 2004 beatdown and a guy a few seats over kept calling Brady a faggot, I used this line and he shutup after stumbling over a few words trying to figure out what he could say to it. Since then, that has been my response to anyone who says anything of this nature.
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    Hench and his ilk know that trashing the Patriots is a gold mine. All the mindless minions tht watch fox,bspn eat it up.
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