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    With no doubt in my mind, it's Vince Wilfork.
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    Wilfork, and it isn't even close.
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    Losing him would be a catastrophe.
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    Agreed.....Its' Wilfork.

    Runner-up to Brady and Wilfork, in my view, is Nate Solder.

    Honorable Mention (in order): Talib, Gronkowski, Chandler Jones.
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    Overall? McCourty. I feel like his importance to the defense is close to Wilfork's and he has a significant number of years he'll be playing beyond when Vince is done.

    If Vince and Devin were the same ages I'd give the nod to Vince.
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    Re: Re: Most irreplaceable Patriots player other than Brady....

    I'd probably add McCourty (as a safety) to the honorable mention list.
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    I used to think it was Wilfork but after watching the Patriots struggle to score touchdowns against Baltimore, I now firmly believe that it's Gronk.
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    Re: Re: Most irreplaceable Patriots player other than Brady....

    I like McCourty at safety it fits his skill set, when he was successful as a rookie at CB we were playing more zone which allowed him to play the ball verses playing the receiver in man coverage, I think safety allows him to play the ball again and that seems be something he really excels at.
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    Re: Re: Most irreplaceable Patriots player other than Brady....

    Very good point AB, the injuries have made him somewhat of a forgotten player. He is irreplaceable as you've pointed out; I'm glad you said his name, admittedly I overlooked him.
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    at this point in time because of depth concerns its far and away VW. Even if not for depth concerns, VW with McCourty trailing and then Gronkowski/Amendola considering the youth of our WR corps.
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    If there's a disclaimer Brady6 it would be that Gronkowski and Wilfork could be simultaneously labelled 1A to 1AA. Both are as important as another. The Patriots struggling against the Giants and Ravens to put up comparative scores is what tipped it in Gronk's favor for mine.
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    Ignoring depth, I think it's McCourty or Mayo with a slight nudge to Mayo. Getting people lined up and calling plays is so incredibly important. Neither of these two guys get the credit they deserve.

    Not ignoring depth, it's Vince Wilfork. Any hopes of our defense making strides immediately go out the window if he goes down at any point.
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    Gronk. That's evident by SB46 and the AFCC this past season.

    But the thing is he's not even close to Brady in the irreplaceable department.

    The Patriots with Brady in 12 seasons were arguably 4 plays away from winning the SB 7 times.

    Yep, 7.

    '06- Caldwell drop
    '07- Samuel missed INT, in-the grasp, Harrison knocking the ball loose. Any of those would have done well.
    '08- If Brady doesn't get injured they make that SB. Cassel went 11-5 with that team.
    '11- Welker drop or if the defense just made the stop.

    And to the doom and gloom crowd, Yes, I know the Pats are 3 plays away from having 0 SB.
    Still shows how irreplaceable Brady is because without him the 3 SB don't happen.
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    I suppose it might be interesting after we get past the first 3.

    Obviously, Wilfork is #2, and Gronkowski is #3.

    We might score 30 or 40 points, even with Gronkowski. Without Wilfork, we are totally screwed.
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    i wanna say Wilfork, mayo or McCourty but the defense has not been great the last few years and we all know this team lives or dies with how good Brady plays come playoff time and he need he's #1 guy to get it done so it's Gronk by a mile
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    1)With a healthy Gronkowski, this team might (MIGHT) be two time defending champions.

    2)Without Wilfork, they don't go to the Super Bowl the season before last.

    3)Solder has the most important job 'other than Brady'.

    4)McCourty's move to safety improved the defense imensly. If this question is most irreplaceable defensive player other than Wilfork, the answer will be Devin.

    5)Without Mayo the young defense would make even more mistakes. Scary to consider.

    6)Chandler Jones will surge this year fully healthy, ready to annihilate RBs and QBs alike.

    7-9)Talib, Denard and Arrington. Any injuries to these three players instantly downgrades the pass defense.

    10)Shane Vereen is the player I'm most excited about on the offense. He will be a go to receiver and a crazy change of pace in the backfield. I see a lot of TDs in Shane's future.
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    No offense B6--but this thread has "jinx" written all over it ;)

    I kid...but at the same time I don't.
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    Wilfork.

    Given how up and down the play of the secondary seems to be, I might put McCourty and Talib in contention with Gronkowski for #3.

    I doubt any OL rises to that level of irreplacability as long as Dante is around.
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    Good job! That is actually the correct answer. Most people just dont get the question.
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    After Brady then it's Wilfork without any question. Two players couldn't fill his shoes. Our defensive shortcomings would quickly become a world of pain, if the beast wasn't around.
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    I understand the Gronk picks because our defense hasn't been as good as it was in the Superbowl years.

    That said, it's clearly VW with no close second. I can absolutely imagine how our defense would look without his presence and it's shocking. Tom can still put up good points without Gronk. I doubt our defense could stop drives without VW.

    Also, with all the new receivers, I'm not sure we're as reliant on Gronk this season as we were the previous couple of them. Not to say he's still not the 2nd best on offense, just saying we might be able to replace a larger portion of that production than we could a year or two ago. (Especially with the monster run game we might just have.)
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    Wilfork by a comfortable margin.
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    When you remove the obvious (Wilfork and Gronkowski) it's the tandem of Dennard/Talib. If one of those two goes down (doesn't really matter which one) the defensive performance really dips (opposing QBR, PPG, passing yards per game, etc)
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    Wilfork in a landslide. Next up would be Gronk, followed by McCourty at safety (not CB, he's replaceable there).
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    I too would vote for Vince! Both on and off the field. He takes up at least two offensive lineman on each play, that leaves someone else unblocked to make the tackle. He is an absolutel beast and is impossible to move, and has the strength of ten Grinches, plus two!!!

    In the locker room, he is the unquestioned leader of that defense and the team as a whole.
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    No disrespect to Vince but it's easily Gronkowski. The D has sucked for years now. I'd rather have the #1 TE and redzone target in the NFL.
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    I've thought about this as well and I also came up with Wilfork.

    Gronk is #3. He's a beast when he's on the field.

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