McShay/Scouts Inc 7 Round Draft- Pats Choices

[SamBamsFan]

As there was already a link for the Sporting News 7 Round Mock, I thought I'd share the Todd McShay/ Scouts Inc choices for the Patriots from his 7 Round Mock (for those who don't get ESPN Insider).

#21 A Cromartie DC Fl. St.- As he already has his own thread, I won't go to much into detail. I have a little problem w/ the thought BB & Co. would use a 1st rd. pick on someone w/ only 1 career start, no matter how athletic he is. Still on board- D Williams M Lawson B Carpenter L Maroney

#52 Brian Calhoun RB Wisconson- Not a bad pick when you consider how much time Faulk has missed the last few years. Still on Board- D Tapp, J Klopfenstein, M Anderson, M Stovall, D Bullocks G Jennings

#75 Gerris Wilkinson ILB Georgia Tech- I could see this. I might be looking WR myself (though BB seldom seems to listen to me). Still on board- M Stanley, D Hagan, P Watkins, P Haralson

#86 Brandon Williams WR Wisconson- I know I differ from many on this Board, I like this pick, esp. @ 86. Nice quickness & return skills as well. Still on the board- J Avant, J Trueblood, A Smith, M Drew, G Whimper

#106 Stanley McClover DE/ OLB Auburn- Going solely on stats (I haven't seen him play), He seems like he might fit. Still on the board- T Jennings, R O'Callahan, F Matua

#118 Charles Gordon DB/ WR Kansas- Fast. Good kick returner. "W Blackman-esque" all purpose player. Still on the Board- L Williams(miami), B Marshall (Cent. Fla.), R Edwards (Perdue)

#136 Kai Parham ILB Virginia- Good Production. Worked in A Groh system. 5.1 40 ???? OK for 5th rd I guess. Still on the board- M Maxey (miami), B Cofield (Nwestern), G Riggs Jr (auburn), J Mincey (Fla), W Mathis (fresno) M Hass (oregon)

#191 Josh Huston K Ohio St- Best available kicker most likely. Still on board J Wyche (Syracuse)

#205 Kendrick Golston DT Georgia- I must admit that I haven't heard of him...

#206 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame- Developemental pick. I could see it. Still on Board K Ellison (Oregon), M Vick (VA St), R La Casse (Syracuse).

#229 Marcus Green DT Ohio St- Training camp fodder most likely. Left on the Board- F Roach (Bama), S Havner (UCLA), B Smith (Missouri), A Jennings (fresno st)

 

[NE_PATS_FAN_54]

As there was already a link for the Sporting News 7 Round Mock, I thought I'd share the Todd McShay/ Scouts Inc choices for the Patriots from his 7 Round Mock (for those who don't get ESPN Insider).

#21 A Cromartie DC Fl. St.- As he already has his own thread, I won't go to much into detail. I have a little problem w/ the thought BB & Co. would use a 1st rd. pick on someone w/ only 1 career start, no matter how athletic he is. Still on board- D Williams M Lawson B Carpenter L Maroney

#52 Brian Calhoun RB Wisconson- Not a bad pick when you consider how much time Faulk has missed the last few years. Still on Board- D Tapp, J Klopfenstein, M Anderson, M Stovall, D Bullocks G Jennings

#75 Gerris Wilkinson ILB Georgia Tech- I could see this. I might be looking WR myself (though BB seldom seems to listen to me). Still on board- M Stanley, D Hagan, P Watkins, P Haralson

#86 Brandon Williams WR Wisconson- I know I differ from many on this Board, I like this pick, esp. @ 86. Nice quickness & return skills as well. Still on the board- J Avant, J Trueblood, A Smith, M Drew, G Whimper

#106 Stanley McClover DE/ OLB Auburn- Going solely on stats (I haven't seen him play), He seems like he might fit. Still on the board- T Jennings, R O'Callahan, F Matua

#118 Charles Gordon DB/ WR Kansas- Fast. Good kick returner. "W Blackman-esque" all purpose player. Still on the Board- L Williams(miami), B Marshall (Cent. Fla.), R Edwards (Perdue)

#136 Kai Parham ILB Virginia- Good Production. Worked in A Groh system. 5.1 40 ???? OK for 5th rd I guess. Still on the board- M Maxey (miami), B Cofield (Nwestern), G Riggs Jr (auburn), J Mincey (Fla), W Mathis (fresno) M Hass (oregon)

#191 Josh Huston K Ohio St- Best available kicker most likely. Still on board J Wyche (Syracuse)

#205 Kendrick Golston DT Georgia- I must admit that I haven't heard of him...

#206 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame- Developemental pick. I could see it. Still on Board K Ellison (Oregon), M Vick (VA St), R La Casse (Syracuse).

#229 Marcus Green DT Ohio St- Training camp fodder most likely. Left on the Board- F Roach (Bama), S Havner (UCLA), B Smith (Missouri), A Jennings (fresno st)

not bad but if mike hass is still there in the 5th round, i think the pats will jump on him....hes got the best hands in the draft.

 

[SamBamsFan]

not bad but if mike hass is still there in the 5th round, i think the pats will jump on him....hes got the best hands in the draft.
I agree, which is why I tried to give you an idea what was still out there when we picked. I like McShay, but I don't always agree w/ him (see all the notes). I stongly disagree w/ Cromartie. I'm not big on Gordon, mostly because I'm not sure he can make it as a BB corner, and his return skills are redundant if we pick B Williams. A lot of pundits have us taking Parham, but that 40 time scares me. But it does make for good discussion...

 

[NE_PATS_FAN_54]

not bad but if mike hass is still there in the 5th round, i think the pats will jump on him....hes got the best hands in the draft.
I agree, which is why I tried to give you an idea what was still out there when we picked. I like McShay, but I don't always agree w/ him (see all the notes). I stongly disagree w/ Cromartie. I'm not big on Gordon, mostly because I'm not sure he can make it as a BB corner, and his return skills are redundant if we pick B Williams. A lot of pundits have us taking Parham, but that 40 time scares me. But it does make for good discussion...

i wasnt disagreeing with you, just disagreeing with whoever made the mock. also...i do like parham and i like the fact he played in groh's system so i think and hope they take him also.

 

[RayClay]

Has Lawson committed a felony in the last week that I'm not aware of?

 

[PATSNUTme]

my only comment is :Barf. Worst than The Sporting News.

 

[SamBamsFan]

Has Lawson committed a felony in the last week that I'm not aware of?

err.... this week?:singing:
Not that I know. (Non) Talking heads of the internet have him going everywhere from 13 to 40.

 

[RayClay]

err.... this week?:singing:
Not that I know. (Non) Talking heads of the internet have him going everywhere from 13 to 40.

There's a lot of variations in ratings this year.

Let's say Cromartie's the second coming.

With one career start and a recent knee injury, wouldn't it be good judgement to play one more year?

Talk about a shot in the dark.

 

[DaBruinz]

As there was already a link for the Sporting News 7 Round Mock, I thought I'd share the Todd McShay/ Scouts Inc choices for the Patriots from his 7 Round Mock (for those who don't get ESPN Insider).

#21 A Cromartie DC Fl. St.- As he already has his own thread, I won't go to much into detail. I have a little problem w/ the thought BB & Co. would use a 1st rd. pick on someone w/ only 1 career start, no matter how athletic he is. Still on board- D Williams M Lawson B Carpenter L Maroney

Lawson is a MUCH better pick than Cromartie.

#52 Brian Calhoun RB Wisconson- Not a bad pick when you consider how much time Faulk has missed the last few years. Still on Board- D Tapp, J Klopfenstein, M Anderson, M Stovall, D Bullocks G Jennings

Huge Reach on Calhoun at this point. Addai or Drew are better picks.

#75 Gerris Wilkinson ILB Georgia Tech- I could see this. I might be looking WR myself (though BB seldom seems to listen to me). Still on board- M Stanley, D Hagan, P Watkins, P Haralson

Just silly. Wilkinson is not an ILB, He's a MLB and too many people don't understand the significant differences between the 2 positions.

#86 Brandon Williams WR Wisconson- I know I differ from many on this Board, I like this pick, esp. @ 86. Nice quickness & return skills as well. Still on the board- J Avant, J Trueblood, A Smith, M Drew, G Whimper

Probably would take Drew or Avant at this point.

#106 Stanley McClover DE/ OLB Auburn- Going solely on stats (I haven't seen him play), He seems like he might fit. Still on the board- T Jennings, R O'Callahan, F Matua

Mike Anderson is a better fit in my opinion than McGlover.

#118 Charles Gordon DB/ WR Kansas- Fast. Good kick returner. "W Blackman-esque" all purpose player. Still on the Board- L Williams(miami), B Marshall (Cent. Fla.), R Edwards (Purdue)

We don't need another DB. I don't think that Brandon Marshall is on the Pats board with his Terrell Owens type attitude.

#136 Kai Parham ILB Virginia- Good Production. Worked in A Groh system. 5.1 40 ???? OK for 5th rd I guess. Still on the board- M Maxey (miami), B Cofield (Nwestern), G Riggs Jr (auburn), J Mincey (Fla), W Mathis (fresno) M Hass (oregon)

Parham here isn't a bad pick.

#191 Josh Huston K Ohio St- Best available kicker most likely. Still on board J Wyche (Syracuse)

Its debatable as to whether he's the best kicker.

#205 Kendrick Golston DT Georgia- I must admit that I haven't heard of him...

Not a Patriots type player

#206 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame- Developemental pick. I could see it. Still on Board K Ellison (Oregon), M Vick (VA St), R La Casse (Syracuse).

Stevenson is a G/T type player that the Patriots like.

#229 Marcus Green DT Ohio St- Training camp fodder most likely. Left on the Board- F Roach (Bama), S Havner (UCLA), B Smith (Missouri), A Jennings (fresno st)

If Havner is still on the board at this point, he'd be a HUGE steal.

This draft has to be one of the absolute worst I have seen for the Patriots. If this happened, it would get an F.

 

[SamBamsFan]

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Originally Posted by SamBamsFan
#52 Brian Calhoun RB Wisconson- Not a bad pick when you consider how much time Faulk has missed the last few years. Still on Board- D Tapp, J Klopfenstein, M Anderson, M Stovall, D Bullocks G Jennings

Huge Reach on Calhoun at this point. Addai or Drew are better picks.

Because of copyright laws I can't post the whole draft. McShay Has Addai going to the Colts @ #30. I like Drew, but he is only 5'6". An Unkown front office person on the Pats talked in th Globe about D Sproles last year & said that because of the special team responsibilities of a back up RB, what will you spend on someone that size. He is good on return teams. He can't play "gunner" on punts. He's too small to block for PATs, FGs, Punts. But really he is in for 4-10 plays a game. I liked Calhoun @ Colorado. It is arguable that we can pick him up @#75.

 

[SamBamsFan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SamBamsFan
As there was already a link for the Sporting News 7 Round Mock, I thought I'd share the Todd McShay/ Scouts Inc choices for the Patriots from his 7 Round Mock (for those who don't get ESPN Insider).

#21 A Cromartie DC Fl. St.- As he already has his own thread, I won't go to much into detail. I have a little problem w/ the thought BB & Co. would use a 1st rd. pick on someone w/ only 1 career start, no matter how athletic he is. Still on board- D Williams M Lawson B Carpenter L Maroney

Lawson is a MUCH better pick than Cromartie.
Definitely (in my humble opinion).

 

[DaBruinz]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SamBamsFan
#52 Brian Calhoun RB Wisconson- Not a bad pick when you consider how much time Faulk has missed the last few years. Still on Board- D Tapp, J Klopfenstein, M Anderson, M Stovall, D Bullocks G Jennings

Huge Reach on Calhoun at this point. Addai or Drew are better picks.

Because of copyright laws I can't post the whole draft. McShay Has Addai going to the Colts @ #30. I like Drew, but he is only 5'6". An Unkown front office person on the Pats talked in th Globe about D Sproles last year & said that because of the special team responsibilities of a back up RB, what will you spend on someone that size. He is good on return teams. He can't play "gunner" on punts. He's too small to block for PATs, FGs, Punts. But really he is in for 4-10 plays a game. I liked Calhoun @ Colorado. It is arguable that we can pick him up @#75.

See, this is where I disagree. Drew, though he is small in stature, has BULK. I think that he could be a damn good KR/PR (special teams) for the Pats AND work his way in as the #2 RB/3rd down option. At under 5'7 and 207 lbs, he is going to be like a bowling ball out there. And I like that. I think that he will be able to take hits and make blocks that Sproles can't because Sproles is 5'6 and 187 lbs. That's a 20 lbs difference. And that is HUGE when you are talking about players that small.

 

[Pats726]

As there was already a link for the Sporting News 7 Round Mock, I thought I'd share the Todd McShay/ Scouts Inc choices for the Patriots from his 7 Round Mock (for those who don't get ESPN Insider).

#21 A Cromartie DC Fl. St.- As he already has his own thread, I won't go to much into detail. I have a little problem w/ the thought BB & Co. would use a 1st rd. pick on someone w/ only 1 career start, no matter how athletic he is. Still on board- D Williams M Lawson B Carpenter L Maroney

#52 Brian Calhoun RB Wisconson- Not a bad pick when you consider how much time Faulk has missed the last few years. Still on Board- D Tapp, J Klopfenstein, M Anderson, M Stovall, D Bullocks G Jennings

#75 Gerris Wilkinson ILB Georgia Tech- I could see this. I might be looking WR myself (though BB seldom seems to listen to me). Still on board- M Stanley, D Hagan, P Watkins, P Haralson

#86 Brandon Williams WR Wisconson- I know I differ from many on this Board, I like this pick, esp. @ 86. Nice quickness & return skills as well. Still on the board- J Avant, J Trueblood, A Smith, M Drew, G Whimper

#106 Stanley McClover DE/ OLB Auburn- Going solely on stats (I haven't seen him play), He seems like he might fit. Still on the board- T Jennings, R O'Callahan, F Matua

#118 Charles Gordon DB/ WR Kansas- Fast. Good kick returner. "W Blackman-esque" all purpose player. Still on the Board- L Williams(miami), B Marshall (Cent. Fla.), R Edwards (Perdue)

#136 Kai Parham ILB Virginia- Good Production. Worked in A Groh system. 5.1 40 ???? OK for 5th rd I guess. Still on the board- M Maxey (miami), B Cofield (Nwestern), G Riggs Jr (auburn), J Mincey (Fla), W Mathis (fresno) M Hass (oregon)

#191 Josh Huston K Ohio St- Best available kicker most likely. Still on board J Wyche (Syracuse)

#205 Kendrick Golston DT Georgia- I must admit that I haven't heard of him...

#206 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame- Developemental pick. I could see it. Still on Board K Ellison (Oregon), M Vick (VA St), R La Casse (Syracuse).

#229 Marcus Green DT Ohio St- Training camp fodder most likely. Left on the Board- F Roach (Bama), S Havner (UCLA), B Smith (Missouri), A Jennings (fresno st)

Really...does not excite me at all....Cromartie is just TOO much of a gamble..1 start? And Calhoun is a tretch at that point. As DaBruinz pointed out, Wilkinson a MLB; here out of position. WIlliams and McGlover are fine, as is Parham, but Gordon is just OK; nothing special.
A big stretch for Huston and 2 of the last 3?? D line?? Stevenson may be a good backup as he is versatile. I just would expect better out of the 11.

 

[R_T26]

Cromartie would be a gamble, but has huge upside. As for Gordon, he had 7 int's 2 years ago @ full time corner, almost reminds me of Eugene Wilson who had a better junior year then senior year due to a a change in scheme, I wouldnt mind the Gordon pick at all due to his versatility.

 

[RayClay]

See, this is where I disagree. Drew, though he is small in stature, has BULK. I think that he could be a damn good KR/PR (special teams) for the Pats AND work his way in as the #2 RB/3rd down option. At under 5'7 and 207 lbs, he is going to be like a bowling ball out there. And I like that. I think that he will be able to take hits and make blocks that Sproles can't because Sproles is 5'6 and 187 lbs. That's a 20 lbs difference. And that is HUGE when you are talking about players that small.

I watch Deangelo Williams and other top RB choices and I never see them break tackles.

Drew breaks tackles.

You don't run free like a deer in the NFL.

 

[jczxohn1]

There's a lot of variations in ratings this year.

Let's say Cromartie's the second coming.

With one career start and a recent knee injury, wouldn't it be good judgement to play one more year?

Talk about a shot in the dark.

In his interview Cromartie mentioned family medical problems as his reason for coming out.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SamBamsFan
#52 Brian Calhoun RB Wisconson- Not a bad pick when you consider how much time Faulk has missed the last few years. Still on Board- D Tapp, J Klopfenstein, M Anderson, M Stovall, D Bullocks G Jennings

Huge Reach on Calhoun at this point. Addai or Drew are better picks.

Because of copyright laws I can't post the whole draft. McShay Has Addai going to the Colts @ #30. I like Drew, but he is only 5'6". An Unkown front office person on the Pats talked in th Globe about D Sproles last year & said that because of the special team responsibilities of a back up RB, what will you spend on someone that size. He is good on return teams. He can't play "gunner" on punts. He's too small to block for PATs, FGs, Punts. But really he is in for 4-10 plays a game. I liked Calhoun @ Colorado. It is arguable that we can pick him up @#75.

As i recall Dave Megget had a pretty good career and he was 5-6 barely, and a great RS and part time RB, just what you'd have Drew do.

 

[mgteich]

I have seen a lot of mocks in the last month (not as much as most of you). IMHO, this is by the far the worst I've seen. Parham was th only reasonable pick.

 

[flutie2phelan]

I especially appreciate SamBam selecting some of the prominent "leftovers" at each point in this draft.

 

[dryheat44]

I don't mind the players drafted in the mock (although I think there were much better choices available) except for one: Calhoun. I will probably throw up in my mouth if we draft him in the second.

Calhoun is not Faulk. Calhoun is S-L-O-W-W-W through the line. If you look at his 40 breakouts (NFL Draft scout.com does a great job, but they took it out of their free section) His first 10 yards, and 20 yards, are among the slowest of the RBs in the draft. His second 20 is much, much faster than his first. To me, that translates into uselessness as a running back. If you can't get through the hole or around the end quickly, that great late acceleration is worthless. Except on those rare occasions where the offensive line is dominating the defense (like at Wisconsin), Calhoun will be tackled long before he can use it.