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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Patriots did live up to the agreement. They had the right to cut or trade or pay him. If they didn't live up to it then he should take them to court. He even had a union to fight for him. His salary wasn't guaranteed. That was the agteement.Wow! It took me a few days to get through all of this thread, but by gosh I did it.
Some thoughts:
-- I'm sure that BB has a plan to replace Mankins, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it. And it doesn't matter how much justification comes from Belichick's Elves.
-- Logan Mankins was as tough as they get in a business filled with toughness. He was a great teammate and by all accounts a fine gentleman to all the fans who came in contact with him.
-- Big Vince would have been in Logan's shoes but his injury took away his leverage.
-- Since Mankins' strength was run-blocking, it's too bad we went pass-happy in the last two SB losses. Things might have been different if we ran the damn ball more.
-- We all hear about players taking one for the team, but why don't we ever hear about management taking one for the team too?
-- The NFL might be the only place where living up to a signed agreement is looked down upon. If you do it for the Pats you're asking to be traded unless it's a signed agreement that they like.
-- It's funny how Kraft manages to stay clear of any responsibility for losing good team players like Mankins, and for keeping scum like Hernandez.
-- Is it some sort of crime to go over the salary cap?
-- Moves like this one make it harder to be a fan of this team.
I don't play these games. I don't really know how much. I can see them make him a big part of the offense right away to take a month or so. I am not like you and can make definitive proclamations without seeing things playing out a bit.
If you honestly feel that way, then go root for Chicago (unceremoniously ditched Urlacher), or San Fran (bye Montana for Young) or GB (see ya Brett for Rodgers) or the Balt Colts (Unitas to SD) or the Jets (Namath to the Rams) or the Colts(Manning to Denver) and on and on and on. Logan Mankin is a freaking GUARD... not a QB, not a left tackle, not a MLB, not a CB...I get it...you're pissed as I was on Tuesday. That's why you're not running the team and I'm not. If you can't get your panties out of a bunch, then you do, as you suggest, need to go root for some other team. Just buyer beware: if you choose one which doesn't make these type of hard decisions, you'll be a fan of a loser. Good luck enjoying that.Wow! It took me a few days to get through all of this thread, but by gosh I did it.
Some thoughts:
-- I'm sure that BB has a plan to replace Mankins, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it. And it doesn't matter how much justification comes from Belichick's Elves.
-- Logan Mankins was as tough as they get in a business filled with toughness. He was a great teammate and by all accounts a fine gentleman to all the fans who came in contact with him.
-- Big Vince would have been in Logan's shoes but his injury took away his leverage.
-- Since Mankins' strength was run-blocking, it's too bad we went pass-happy in the last two SB losses. Things might have been different if we ran the damn ball more.
-- We all hear about players taking one for the team, but why don't we ever hear about management taking one for the team too?
-- The NFL might be the only place where living up to a signed agreement is looked down upon. If you do it for the Pats you're asking to be traded unless it's a signed agreement that they like.
-- It's funny how Kraft manages to stay clear of any responsibility for losing good team players like Mankins, and for keeping scum like Hernandez.
-- Is it some sort of crime to go over the salary cap?
-- Moves like this one make it harder to be a fan of this team.
if you choose one which doesn't make these type of hard decisions, you'll be a fan of a loser. Good luck enjoying that.
What a **** post. But considering you disagreed with me bringing up some very silly points made in a ridiculous article recently written about the Patriots and how its all "spare parts" and "losing when it counts", I should expect this from you.
Your last sentence. I like that!!! In fact why don't you go root for another team? We wont miss you.
Dude, this is a fan forum. Your lively hood doesn't depend on whether you're right or wrong here. Don't be scared to be wrong and go with the the minimum of your range. Show a little conviction.
Your age gives you no special rights. Nor wisdom evidently.Poor little Bruins fan doesn't like that I disagreed with one of his football posts. Too bad kid. I actually disagreed with most of the 50-100 **** posts that you posted in this thread during your back and forth with whomever.
I've been a fan of the Pats longer than you've been alive, and that gives me the right to be critical of them. If you don't like it go cry to someone else.
We? Who else are you speaking for, all the other Belichick Elves?
Poor little Bruins fan doesn't like that I disagreed with one of his football posts. Too bad kid. I actually disagreed with most of the 50-100 **** posts that you posted in this thread during your back and forth with whomever.
I've been a fan of the Pats longer than you've been alive, and that gives me the right to be critical of them. If you don't like it go cry to someone else.
We? Who else are you speaking for, all the other Belichick Elves?
By crime, do you mean besides the whole thing of not being allowed to exceed it for any reason? It's a hard cap. This isn't the NBA. Felger seems to make that mistake a lot too.
So moves designed to make the team better make it harder to be a fan?
Seriously.Your age gives you no special rights. Nor wisdom evidently.
-- Since Mankins' strength was run-blocking, it's too bad we went pass-happy in the last two SB losses. Things might have been different if we ran the damn ball more.
-- We all hear about players taking one for the team, but why don't we ever hear about management taking one for the team too?
-- Moves like this one make it harder to be a fan of this team.
When they dump guys like Mankins over money but reward the scumbags, yes, very much yes. How do you know they're better without Mankins but with Wright and a 4th round pick?
And why is it okay for them to come to a player and ask him to redo his signed contract, but when a player does that or even just makes them live up to the agreement they signed, they drop him like a hot potato?
Sorry if it bothers some of you, but when they dump great people like Logan Mankins it makes the Pats koolaid taste just a little bitter.
Your age gives you no special rights. Nor wisdom evidently.
The Patriots rewarded a young, up and coming, productive Tight End with a contract that was reflective of his current market value. Upon learning of the allegations against Hernandez, the Patriots distanced themselves from him and made a judgement call by releasing him swallowing dead money cap hits. The Patriots traded Mankins because they couldn't find common contractual ground to reflect a decline in his current play. In turn they received a young, athletic Tight End who had a great rookie season, fills a position of need and got the added bonus of a 4th round draft pick.When they dump guys like Mankins over money but reward the scumbags, yes, very much yes. How do you know they're better without Mankins but with Wright and a 4th round pick?
And why is it okay for them to come to a player and ask him to redo his signed contract, but when a player does that or even just makes them live up to the agreement they signed, they drop him like a hot potato?
Sorry if it bothers some of you, but when they dump great people like Logan Mankins it makes the Pats koolaid taste just a little bitter.
Point #1: If you're the HIGHEST PAID LG in the NFL you should be dominant in BOTH. Otherwise you are overpaid and taking up valuable cap space.
Point#2: Management can and has. Google "Todd Rucci" and "Max Lane" and "Lessons Learned"
Point#3: It's a free country and there are lots of choices/options.
Frankly, you're bullshitting.
No I'm not. I'm ******** at losing Mankins.
Why is that so hard for some people to grasp, especially the Belichick Elves like B29?
The moment you brought Aaron Hernandez into the conversation and attempted to link his contract, one which matched his production at the time, you lost all credibility.No I'm not. I'm ******** at losing Mankins.
Why is that so hard for some people to grasp, especially the Belichick Elves like B29?