Kind of random, but what about Andy Katzenmoyer

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  1. Dfresh429

    Dfresh429 Practice Squad Player

    In watching that Glenn thread a few down, I started to think about Andy Katzenmoyer's time with the Patriots.

    I have been a huge pats fan since i was about 13 (1993) and I don't really remember much about the PC years and 1999 in particular - but he had 107 tackles as a rookie - 3.5 sacks as a MLB and an Int for a TD...he had promise..This year would be his 10th in the NFL - do you think he would still be on the team (if not for the injury) and do you think his style would have fit well with the BB 3-4 defense?

    Here is his 1999 season synopsis from

    1999 Season
    Played in every game as a rookie, starting the first 11 at middle linebacker for the injured Ted Johnson ... Performed admirably through his 11 starts, keeping the Patriots defense among the top-ranked units in the NFL throughout the season ... The unit finished the season ranked eighth overall, the highest by a Patriots team since 1988 ... Finished his rookie campaign ranked third on the team with 107 tackles, including 76 solo stops ... His 3.5 sacks ranked third on the team behind Willie McGinest (9) and Chris Slade (4.5) ... Returned his only interception of the season 57 yards for a touchdown - his first career touchdown. NY Jets (9/12): One of three rookie starters for the Patriots (along with Damien Woody and Kevin Faulk), the most in a season opener since 1993. Indianapolis (9/19): Registered his first of five double-digit tackle totals of the season with 10 hits in a 31-28 victory over the Colts. N.Y. Giants (9/26): Credited with 10 tackles for the second consecutive week and helped the Patriots to a 16-14 victory over the Giants ... Limited the Giants to just 57 yards rushing on 26 carries (2.2 avg.). Cleveland (10/3): Led the team with nine tackles while limiting the Browns to just 70 yards rushing ... Limited the Browns to just a touchdown in a 19-7 Patriots victory. Kansas City (10/10): Credited with his first career sack when he teamed up with Chad Eaton to stop Elvis Grbac for no gain ... It was one of 13 tackles on the day. Miami (10/17): Earned Miller Lite Player of the Game honors for his performance against the Dolphins ... Intercepted his first career pass when he stepped in front of Tony Martin and returned the Dan Marino pass 57 yards for a touchdown ... It was the first touchdown of his career and his only interception of the season ... Recorded a season high with 12 solo stops ... His 12 tackles led the team ... He shared team-high honors with Lawyer Milloy with 12 tackles ... He was also credited with two of the team's nine sacks on Damon Huard, sharing team-high honors with Chris Slade. Denver (10/24): Led the team with 14 tackles, including 11 solo stops, to help the Patriots to a 24-23 victory over the two-time defending Super Bowl champion Broncos Dallas (12/5): Replaced in the starting lineup by Ted Johnson ... Averaged two tackles per game over the next five games while seeing limited action in a reserve role. Buffalo (12/26): Registered his final sack of the season when he brought down Doug Flutie for no gain.
  2. maverick4

    maverick4 Banned

    Didn't he have weird personality or communication issues?
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    ... not to mention an IQ inferior to my shoe size...
  4. Dfresh429

    Dfresh429 Practice Squad Player

    valid points - BUT - he produced as a rookie in the NFL...all things being equal - personality aside - did he have the chops to cut it in the BB era

    (I thought he left the team because of his Neck injury)
  5. pats1

    pats1 Moderator Supporter

    No way. Belichick was not a big fan of his.
  6. robertweathers

    robertweathers Pro Bowl Player

    He hurt his neck in 2000, had surgery to fuse two vertebre together, got freaked out in a helmet to helmet hit and walked out in 2001. BB put him on IR and that was it.
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  7. Dfresh429

    Dfresh429 Practice Squad Player

    I got it..

    Anyone want to chime in regarding his skills on the field, not his injury or IQ?
  8. Mogamedogz

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    Katz was about as smart as a bag of hammers.
  9. Mogamedogz

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    His play was average at best. Never lived up to the hype imho. Maybe my expectations were too high for him... but he was a let down.
  10. Dfresh429

    Dfresh429 Practice Squad Player

    I think his stats for 1999 say otherwise...109 tackles, 75 solo, 3.5 sacks, 1 int for a TD...

    Seems to me that is a damn good rookie season.
  11. robertweathers

    robertweathers Pro Bowl Player

    I didn't want to trample on the guy, but I think this may provide you with some insight into BB's take on Kat

    Management Secrets of the New ... - Google Books
  12. Ian

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    He wasn't that bad. He was actually pretty good in coverage and had decent speed, and stepped up and played pretty well as I recall during his rookie season when they were dealing with injuries.

    It was disappointing that he got injured - but I think he made the right decision considering the potential for further injury. Can't blame him for that.
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  13. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    He had a good rookie season but that column overstates his contribution a bit in my opinion. The reputation as being dumb is probably a bit overstated as well too; he took a bunch of puff classes his last year at Ohio State and Sports Illustrated did a hatchet job in an article on him, painting him as the poster child of the dumb jock stereotype. Katzenmoyer was certainly neither the first nor last college football player to have an easy course load.

    Belichick never seemed to care for him but I couldn't tell you if that was because he really was dumb and had trouble picking up the system, was resentment for walking out on the team after a practice without informing the coaches, frustration from the injury, or was perhaps a motivational ploy. Without that injury who knows, but I didn't get the impression that he would be with the Pats for ten years prior to that.
  14. Mogamedogz

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    I agree. But before the injury, did you ever invision him getting better than what he was (which was a good rotational guy)?
  15. Mogamedogz

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    This is about where I am on him. Good post.
  16. Dfresh429

    Dfresh429 Practice Squad Player

    I think I am with you on this too - I know I sound like I am pimping him, but I didn't remember any of his play on the field, but remembered him not living up to the expectations I had for him coming out of college (His decline really started after his sophomore season at OSU).

    So, having the feeling that he didn't live up to the hype i looked into his stats and was surprised that they were as good as they were...

    Oh well, what if sort of thing...
  17. Wretch

    Wretch On the Game Day Roster

    The best parallel I can draw for Katzenmoyer is Vernon Gholston. Great athlete, lacked motivation, as for intelligence never met the guy and there is more to intelligence than test scores. So I will withhold judgement.
  18. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae Retired Jersey Club Supporter

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    Katzenmoyer produced on the field when healthy. Gholston has not done so.
  19. Dfresh429

    Dfresh429 Practice Squad Player

    Oh, I completely disagree with that.

    Gholston hasn't done jackcrap since entering the league - I don't remember anything about Katz's motivation (his issue was injury) and he produce at a solid level in his rookie season...

    Maybe a better comparison is...really any rookie who had a good 1st year and then injury bumped him out of the league...

    In reality, he probably wasn't the right fit for the Patriots 3-4 but a great fit for a tampa2 4-3 because his range was great..very solid in coverage
  20. robertweathers

    robertweathers Pro Bowl Player

    How do you know he was solid in coverage? My memory of him was someone who played close to the line of scrim. as opposed to being a Todd Collins/Roman Pfeiffer-type.
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