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  1. borg

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    If the Patriots want a power back with skills, target Stewart.
    5'10"....235 lbs....22 yrs old...2 yrs pro...1st round ,13th pick
    1131 yds...5.1 ave...10 TDs rushing....18 catches...139 yds...1TD
    Had a monster year end as a starter rushing for 440 yds in final three games against Vikings, Giants, Saints
    Stewart has been Deangelo Williams back up for two years and superb sub. No coincidence that the Panthers starting winning when Stewart was the feature back. I see a young Cory Dillon...down hill runner, breaks tackles, hungry...a beast.
    Would Carolina be willing to part with Stewart? A team with no passing game needed 2 big backs this past year...but with incentive?...who knows.
    I'd start with #42 pick and Maroney, but would be willing to add picks. This guy could be the answer for years to come








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    I see no reason why Carolina would want to trade Stewart. Why acquire Maroney when they can simply keep their own player. They've too much of a good thing going with Williams and Stewart--having two running backs is the trend.

    Williams is a free agent in 2011 and Stewart in 2013.

    I think Belichick would prefer to draft another running back.
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    Sorry to burst your bubble, but why the heck would Carolina do that?
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    Instead of Stewart why not go all out and get Adrian Peterson?
    Edit: before some idiot quotes me, ^ that was a joke.
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    why stop at adrian peterson chris johnson would be a much better fit
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    F it, Barry still has a few years left in him.
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    Yeah Carolina wouldn't do this.

    Best case is he becomes available when his rookie contract is up, I assume he has at least 2 more years on that, and I don't think we should wait that long if Maroney isn't the guy of the future!

    CP
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    Yeah, come back Barry, you're not that old.

    I think they should offer Matt Slater, Terrence Wheatley, and their third 2nd rounder for Darrelle Revis. He and Stewart would be good additions. Joe Thomas would upgrade the o-line. Get r done.
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    On a more serious note, Marion Barber seems to be looking like he needs a new home. Felix Jones is making a bigger and bigger impact in the running game, while Barber is constantly banged up. Obviously, this is a guy that you hope has something in the tank and could shake the injury bug when you sign him. I'm thinking of good ol' Antowain Smith when I think of Barber.
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    Barry "dances" too much. I'd rather get Jim Brown.
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    Could we offer Brady, Vince, Logan and all our Draft picks for Herschel Walker?
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    This board has schizophrenia. Half the people want a power running game, while the other half see the offensive scheme and realize we have Brady.

    There need to be two types of threads in these offseason/draft discussion. The power running people need to start each thread with the letters PR, so, "PR: What RB do we take in the draft?" The spread offense people need to start each thread with SO, like so: "SO: So, how many WRs do we need to draft?"

    Put me down with the SO people simply because Belichick and Brady are here. This is the team that won two Super Bowls with Antowain Smith!!!! A power runner sure, but he was on the order of Sammy Morris or Fred Taylor. In fact, in those years, the Patriots threw the ball like crazy to a diversified offense of 4 different WRs.

    It's obvious to me how this offense is going to go, and power running is not it.
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    Our O-line is NOT built for a power running game. As long as Koppen mans the middle, our hopes for a power running game are nil. And as long as Light mans the LT position, our hopes for a power running game to the left are doubly nil.

    Really we need an innovative OC that can devise a spread offense to spread out the defense and a power running back that can make one tackler miss. Currently we lack the OC and we lack the power running back to make any of this happen.
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    i was thinking about this earlier and would love to see maroney and barber back together
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    Dallas definitely has three starting quality running backs in Barber, Jones and Choice. My preference would be Choice as he can run inside and outside, pass block, and is a good receiver as well. I'm not sure Dallas would trade him though because he's the healthiest of the three. But maybe they could replace him later in the draft if they were to acquire a 2nd rounder for him.

    Dallas just extended Barber I think, so that may have cap consequences (depending on the CBA) to trade this year. I think Barber wouldn't be worth what he may cost.
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    Playing for the Cowboys? I think that would be a tremendous. Let's get Jerry on the phone.
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    There we go! Maroney and a our 2nd for Choice and Dallas' 3rd.
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    Hes in MMA now lol He actually has a contract with Strikeforce.
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    How about Maroney straight up for a crate of wrapping tape and a used jock strap; we can give the used jockstrap to Thomas as a going away present.
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    But seriously, LenDale White could be available (new CBA contract pending). I can see him more here as a Dillion type. We drafted Maroney to fill the Dillon void and he is not the same type of back. White is. He wants out of Tenn. and won't start ahead of Johnson. He is 26. He had 1,100 years two years ago with 20 receptions.

    Draft? Crappy years for RB's unless your into scat backs.

    Quire frankly after Spiller (not a BB style RB as he is more of a Texans Slaton type, nor does he have Chris Johnson 4.29 speed), there is Toby Gerhert who I would take with my first round two pick. There is NADA after that in RB's worth a high choice. Gerhart starts in 2010 if the Pats draft him IMO. He runs, blocks, catches is smart and has a great looking girl friend.

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    I started this thread hoping to get a discussion going about the draft choice it would cost to trade for Stewart. I chose Stewart because he comes as close to a Cory Dillon clone as I've seen in 4 years. The 2004 offense was the most complete offense the Patriots fielded in the last decade, and Dillon was the hammer. A guy that to take the ball, move the sticks, get in the endzone and run out the clock.
    As far as Carolina's willingness to trade...most unlikely...but the roster has two feature backs and a limited passing game. Smith is aging, Delhomme is not the future. The team can't continue to pay for Peppers at a $1 mill+ per game. Just as the Patriots may use this uncapped year to shed bad investments...so too may Carolina (Delhomme). With such a deep draft, Carolina may be willing to part with a RB for picks, free up $18 mill from Peppers and hit the FA market to balance out the roster.
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    Is White committed to staying in shape and picking up blitzers? If so I would take a chance on him.
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    Really? I would hardly call Jonathan Dwyer and LeGarrett Blount "scat backs". Both could go in the second round Dwyer most likely wont even last untill then. CJ Spiller is not like Slaton, He is a football player who runs track, he could run a mid 4.3 and maybe a high 4.2 forty so yeah he has CJ type speed. Why the hell would you take a poor mans(im talking homeless poor) Brandon Jacobs who IS NOT a threat out of the back field what so ever in the nfl, No back we choose will just come in and start in 2010. Dwyer runs, blocks, catches and is smart as well, would you take him with your first round two pick? I would rather have Tebow who is a better athlete than Toby and hes got a better looking girlfriend. Tebow would bring more to this team than Gerhart. Toby is a short yardage back and thats all he really is.
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    But is Tebow willing to switch positions. He said he wants to play QB.
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    I doubt it, I say some team gives him a chance at QB and I think he will suceed but if he doesnt, he loves football so he will do anything a team wants him to do to see the field.
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    Spiller is like 190lbs, Cousin? The Pats need a between the tackles runner like Dillon. No to Spiller IMO. Blount is a "Gansta"> I don't know about him.

    O.K. on Dwyer. Good point. But I am not sold as better or close. The Doak Walker winning Gerhert had 1,800 yards last season on a mediocre Stanford team. He had a 5.5 yards per carry average (short yardage?). Dwyer had a 5.9 YPC (great). Gerhert had 27 TDs and Dwyer had 14TDs. Gerhert also had three times more receptions than Dwyer and 14.3 YPC (can't make recieving plays out of the backfield?). Gerhert is known as a great blocker (see Hiawatha Maroney and the famed "lookout block"). I am pretty sure that Gerhert might score the best Wunderlic of all the RBs....smart.

    I agree with Tebow. He has intangibles . If they drafted Edelman and as he admitted, they told him Draft day they did not know where they were going to play him but he was a "football player" according to BB, then let's take a shot with him....also smart.

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    I want a slasher with break-away speed. There is only one way to go. The Juice!!

    p.s. When does he get out of jail?
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    If you watch Gerhart run, he runs straight up and down. Not one NFL back is succesful running straight up and down. He doesn't have great speed, and he isnt a good cutter. Why not stick with Morris. No way do the Pats spend a second round pick on this guy let alone the first of the seconds. Hes not even slated to go in the second yet. Hes not playing QB, ILB, or Saftey so I really dont care about wonderlic scores. PAC-10 defenses were soft as ussual this year and even softer with SC's decline. The Pats have Zero home run threats out of the backfield and Toby Gerhart is the furthest thing for a homerun threat. CJ Spiller could be the perfect back to complement Morris/Maroney and he would eventually replace an aging Faulk. CJ had 36 catches for 503 yards and 4 tds to Gerharts 11 for 157 for 0 tds. CJ is a good blocker as is Gerhart but is Gerhart really the guy you want on the field on third down. Dwyer actually has legit speed and good hands but GT's offense doesnt showcase that. Both would be values in the second round but they most likely wont make it to the second because of the superior talent. Gerhart is a third round talent right now who might end up being a second round pick because a team might reach on him. LeGarrette Blount would be a steal if he goes after the second. He would have likely been a second round talent before the incident with Boise State. I personally think he has some character issues but he may be worth the risk. Hes a better back than Gerhart and hes the type of Back your looking for along with Dwyer and a few other backs. Gerhart will most likely end up being a fullback somewhere.
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    We shoud have a sticky for all those players on other teams that we wish played for us and another for every player waived since there will be someone who wants every one of them.
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    Beg to differ with you on Gerhert. Note:
    "Big hard running back who has surprisingly good jump cut ability. Bulls through the line and will not be brought down by arm tackles. Has surprising speed and was able to hit the home run several times on long runs. Trucks over the safeties and corners who try to tackle him. Able to catch the ball smoothly when given a chance." Projected 4.48 40. Wants to do a 4.5. Some have predicted he will wind up being the best RB in the Draft. We don't have a third rounder. Will he last until 4th???Nyet!

    The big negative on Dwyer is acceleration. Once he is going, fine. A better choice than Dwyer is Ryan Mathews, Fresno State
    "Height: 5-11. Weight: 220.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
    Projected Round (2010): 3-4.
    (1,316 yards, 7.4 YPC, 11 TDs in eight games). You may shrug off the fact that he plays in the WAC, but in three games against Wisconsin, Cincinnati and Boise State, Mathews has rushed for 486 yards and four touchdowns on 76 carries."
    He is a match to Maroney is the only issue that scares me. Maroneys real problem is lack of vision, not speed or cuts. If he has vision, fine.

    See above about "trucks". Dillon "trucked". And yes I want Gerhert on the field on third down (again see the Maroney' "look out" block). After Faulk our RB's do not block that well. I also say he catches fairly well. Would you take Alstot to most of the backs you mentioned? He is a faster, more nimble Alstot.
    I want HEART and TOUGH. I don't know about your other choices.

    We need a player like Bettis or Dillon who can close out a game. 3rd and 4 to go, I don't want to have to throw 90% of the time. Let's get a back who can eat the clock.

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