Jets STH sues Patriots, Belichick for $184M

[BelichickFan]

In fact, though, as much as I detest their strategy and think it will fail, it's brilliant. They have a *chance* to do exactly what they want to do, which is to put the heat on BB and the Patriots and further embarass them. The money is incidental, it provides a basis for convincing a court to let it proceed to trial and it garners publicity but they never expect to see a cent I think. But they want their point of view heard. It might work, if the cards fall just right and the NFL's and the Patriots' lawyers make a misstep or they get a favorable judge. Brilliant.

It's tough to imagine it going anywhere. Kraft and the NFL will put their best lawyers on this one - if it were to work there's no telling what fans could sue the league over. It would be an unbelievable precedent and the league, I'm sure, will do everything it can to endure the precedent is not set.

 

[kolbitr]

The amount of stupidity in this therad is enormous. You've got a flowery political rant which makes the Wizard of Oz look like reality TV. And you've got almost everyone claiming those Jets fan lawyers are idiots...

In fact, though, as much as I detest their strategy and think it will fail, it's brilliant. They have a *chance* to do exactly what they want to do, which is to put the heat on BB and the Patriots and further embarass them. The money is incidental, it provides a basis for convincing a court to let it proceed to trial and it garners publicity but they never expect to see a cent I think. But they want their point of view heard. It might work, if the cards fall just right and the NFL's and the Patriots' lawyers make a misstep or they get a favorable judge. Brilliant.

While I'm sure we all appreciate the chance to be coarsely corrected, I'm not sure that the word brilliant need be thrown at this duo, unless one means their skill at self-promotion--which is not exactly the same as having an actual point-of-view, but is much like litigious self-absorption. I believe this is the same pair (who call themselves the "Untouchables") who sued God recently. Pujo has pointed out the need to prove racketeering under the RICO statutes cited by the pair, which seems, in itself, deeply absurd.

I am not knowledgeable about litigation, so I leave it to those who are or who consider themselves to be, to comment on the craftmanship of the suit. But I suspect that Kraft's lawyers will step correctly, if that is necessary, and that there are likely to be few judges favorable to such a career litigator...perhaps I am naïve, though...

 

[alamo]

I think many are missing a key fact (in my opinion): if the suit doesn't get immediately thrown out the lawyers *have won* because they achieved their main objective. Just the process of preparing for and going to trial, with the resultant coverage, is a win for them. Their goal is to cause as much trouble and bad publicity for the Patriots as they can, and to dig up as much dirt as they can. This could be Vick redux with courthouse coverage and endless analysis, all keeping the word "cheaters" in the public consciousness.

Just about they only way they will be called losers is if the entire suit is dismissed at the first opportunity. Hopefully that will happen, but it doesn't look like a slam-dunk to me.

 

[zoostation]

Re: BB being sued by Jet fan

If you can't beat 'em, sue 'em!

I smell a lawsuit against those feisty Buffalo Bills!

 

[Seacoast Fan]

There was never a doubt that trial lawyers are the bottom feeders of society.

Thurgood Marshall was a trial lawyer, and all he did was defeat the Jim Crow laws down south.
Abraham Lincoln was a trial lawyer, too.

Many of the statements in this thread remind me of my favorite Mark Twain-ism: No generalization is worth a damn, and that includes this one.

the idiots filing suit are mis-using the legal system, just like a small fraction of idiots mis-use all sorts of instituions in our society. It doesn't mean the legal sytstem is bad, it doesn't mean all lawyers are bad, and it doesn't even mean all Jets fans are bad (I know, tough to swallow those three, isn't it?!?)
The lawsuit isn't going to survive the inevitable motion to dismiss, trust me. The judge on whose desk this has landed is going to recognize it for exactly what it is.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Thurgood Marshall was a trial lawyer, and all he did was defeat the Jim Crow laws down south.
Abraham Lincoln was a trial lawyer, too.

Many of the statements in this thread remind me of my favorite Mark Twain-ism: No generalization is worth a damn, and that includes this one.

the idiots filing suit are mis-using the legal system, just like a small fraction of idiots mis-use all sorts of instituions in our society. It doesn't mean the legal sytstem is bad, it doesn't mean all lawyers are bad, and it doesn't even mean all Jets fans are bad (I know, tough to swallow those three, isn't it?!?)
The lawsuit isn't going to survive the inevitable motion to dismiss, trust me. The judge on whose desk this has landed is going to recognize it for exactly what it is.

And now we have heard from a member of the legal protection/extortion fraternity. Quiet down in the Peanut Gallery for a word from our betters.....

 

[PatriotsReign]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seacoast Fan
Thurgood Marshall was a trial lawyer, and all he did was defeat the Jim Crow laws down south.
Abraham Lincoln was a trial lawyer, too.

Many of the statements in this thread remind me of my favorite Mark Twain-ism: No generalization is worth a damn, and that includes this one.

the idiots filing suit are mis-using the legal system, just like a small fraction of idiots mis-use all sorts of instituions in our society. It doesn't mean the legal sytstem is bad, it doesn't mean all lawyers are bad, and it doesn't even mean all Jets fans are bad (I know, tough to swallow those three, isn't it?!?)
The lawsuit isn't going to survive the inevitable motion to dismiss, trust me. The judge on whose desk this has landed is going to recognize it for exactly what it is.

And now we have heard from a member of the legal protection/extortion fraternity. Quiet down in the Peanut Gallery for a word from our betters.....

Actually AzPatsFan, Seacoast Fan is right on the money with his comments. You'd be well served to study, understand & learn from the old saying;

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open one's mouth and remove all doubt"

 

[AzPatsFan]

The case was a joke for multiple reasons. One is the sheer idiocy of putting hot coffee between your legs and then blaming the coffee 'maker' when a spill causes burns. Coffee will burn you at a temperature far lower than the temperature McDonald's had their coffee, including the temperatures used at other restaurants. The extraordinarily high heat had an impact on the extent of the burns, not necessarily on the woman getting any burns at all. Most people are wise enough to understand this, having burned themselves with coffee or tea they've made at home and learned this lesson at some point in their lives.



Now, using the following article, check out the subsequent mean temperatures being used by restaurants. You'll note that, while it's lower than what McDonald's was using, it's still hot enough to cause burns. That's because people LIKE hot coffee. It's understood that you get very hot coffee, add what you want to it, and then wait until it cools to the temperature you like to drink it at.

http://www.allbusiness.com/sales/customer-service/683924-1.html

Another reason the coffee case was a joke was the ridiculous award won by the woman, most of which was in the form of $2.7 million in punitive damages. The award, in fact, was lowed a great deal, from over $2 million to under $0.5 million. Even people who sided with the old woman on a lot of the case felt the amount awarded was ludicrous. And it was.


P.S. The case was eventually settled for a non-disclosed amount of money.

Gee I'm sorry to hear the gangsta lawyer didn't get ALL the boodle. But he got enough to make it worthwhile, or he wouldn't have done it... Note how many other gangsta lawyers know the detaiks about how much they could garner... Just professional interest, I'm sure...

 

[Seacoast Fan]

And now we have heard from a member of the legal protection/extortion fraternity. Quiet down in the Peanut Gallery for a word from our betters.....

If I were you, AZ, I would seek professional help for that reservoir of bitterness which, when coupled with your apparent inferiority complex, can lead to disasterous results.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Thurgood Marshall was a trial lawyer, and all he did was defeat the Jim Crow laws down south.
Abraham Lincoln was a trial lawyer, too.

Many of the statements in this thread remind me of my favorite Mark Twain-ism: No generalization is worth a damn, and that includes this one.

the idiots filing suit are mis-using the legal system, just like a small fraction of idiots mis-use all sorts of instituions in our society. It doesn't mean the legal sytstem is bad, it doesn't mean all lawyers are bad, and it doesn't even mean all Jets fans are bad (I know, tough to swallow those three, isn't it?!?)
The lawsuit isn't going to survive the inevitable motion to dismiss, trust me. The judge on whose desk this has landed is going to recognize it for exactly what it is.

Now don't go preening yourself by associating with Thurgood Marshall. You and your ATLA buds, or whahtever name yoou've now adopted, did not have Thurgood as a an associate, for most of his professional life, if any at all. His speciality was Labor Law where he worked to create binding and workable coillective bargaining agreements,beforebecoming a Jurist.

He was a member of the USEFUL portion of the the legal profession...

 

[khayos]

People are generally silly and petty ergo any system meant to regulate their behavior will also be silly and petty.

 

[Pujo]

Now don't go preening yourself by associating with Thurgood Marshall. You and your ATLA buds, or whahtever name yoou've now adopted, did not have Thurgood as a an associate, for most of his professional life, if any at all. His speciality was Labor Law where he worked to create binding and workable coillective bargaining agreements,beforebecoming a Jurist.

He was a member of the USEFUL portion of the the legal profession...

Lawyers are necessary because we have complicated laws. How you use your knowledge of the law - for good or ill - is what's important. If you're ever falsely accused of a crime, you'll be running to a lawyer.

 

[PatriotsReign]

People are generally silly and petty ergo any system meant to regulate their behavior will also be silly and petty.

Unfortunately, the human species needs behavior regulation. I wouldn't want it any other way.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Now don't go preening yourself by associating with Thurgood Marshall. You and your ATLA buds, or whahtever name yoou've now adopted, did not have Thurgood as a an associate, for most of his professional life, if any at all. His speciality was Labor Law where he worked to create binding and workable coillective bargaining agreements,beforebecoming a Jurist.

He was a member of the USEFUL portion of the the legal profession...

But you still need help with your issue.

 

[Seacoast Fan]

Now don't go preening yourself by associating with Thurgood Marshall. You and your ATLA buds, or whahtever name yoou've now adopted, did not have Thurgood as a an associate, for most of his professional life, if any at all. His speciality was Labor Law where he worked to create binding and workable coillective bargaining agreements,beforebecoming a Jurist.

He was a member of the USEFUL portion of the the legal profession...

Hey, AZ, trust me, I have never "preened" in my life...lol...and I certainly would not ever compare myself to Thurgood Marshall.
I am not a member of ATLA, but that is not the only thing you have wrong. This is from an on-line bio of Marshall:

Marshall's first major court case came in 1933 when he successfully sued the University of Maryland to admit a young African American Amherst University graduate named Donald Gaines Murray. .....Thurgood Marshall followed his Howard University mentor, Charles Hamilton Houston to New York and later became Chief Counsel for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). During this period, Mr. Marshall was asked by the United Nations and the United Kingdom to help draft the constitutions of the emerging African nations of Ghana and what is now Tanzania. It was felt that the person who so successfully fought for the rights of America's oppressed minority would be the perfect person to ensure the rights of the White citizens in these two former European colonies. After amassing an impressive record of Supreme Court challenges to state-sponsored discrimination, including the landmark Brown v. Board decision in 1954, President John F. Kennedy appointed Thurgood Marshall to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.

But, my original point was that you cannot take the actions of a few mis-fits (the guys suing BB for 184 mill) and slur an entire profession, as some people in here have done. Since you admit that there is a "useful" portion of the legal profession, I guess we agree then, even if your facts are all wrong.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Hey, AZ, trust me, I have never "preened" in my life...lol...and I certainly would not ever compare myself to Thurgood Marshall.
I am not a member of ATLA, but that is not the only thing you have wrong. This is from an on-line bio of Marshall:

Marshall's first major court case came in 1933 when he successfully sued the University of Maryland to admit a young African American Amherst University graduate named Donald Gaines Murray. .....Thurgood Marshall followed his Howard University mentor, Charles Hamilton Houston to New York and later became Chief Counsel for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). During this period, Mr. Marshall was asked by the United Nations and the United Kingdom to help draft the constitutions of the emerging African nations of Ghana and what is now Tanzania. It was felt that the person who so successfully fought for the rights of America's oppressed minority would be the perfect person to ensure the rights of the White citizens in these two former European colonies. After amassing an impressive record of Supreme Court challenges to state-sponsored discrimination, including the landmark Brown v. Board decision in 1954, President John F. Kennedy appointed Thurgood Marshall to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.

But, my original point was that you cannot take the actions of a few mis-fits (the guys suing BB for 184 mill) and slur an entire profession, as some people in here have done. Since you admit that there is a "useful" portion of the legal profession, I guess we agree then, even if your facts are all wrong.

AzPatsFan?? Are you still out there? Hello?.....guess he's speechless

 

[denverpatsfan]

That's a shame. Does this mean the price of tickets will go up next year to offset the cost of this suit?

Will Kraft turn the entire town of Foxboro into a casino/mall in order to help pay the legal fees?

 

[PatriotsReign]

That's a shame. Does this mean the price of tickets will go up next year to offset the cost of this suit?

Will Kraft turn the entire town of Foxboro into a casino/mall in order to help pay the legal fees?

Actually, the state legislature just approved a casino in his hotel!

 

[Pujo]

Actually, the state legislature just approved a casino in his hotel!

Say what? That never happened.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

There is a simple way to make this case disappear. You have the attorney representing the Patriots tell Mr. Afran or Mayer that you will be deposing Mr. Mangini since he was a member of the Patriots staff during the time in question. He will be asked under oath (and penalty of perjury) if he improperly taped while an employee of the Jets. If he answer in the affirmative, that information will be forwarded to the NFL for appropriate punishment.
Since the precedent is fines and loss of a first round draft pick, you can expect the same to be applied to the Jets since you have an admission
to that fact.
Oh and the loss of a first round draft pick stands to mean much more to the Jets due to its higher pick than to the Patriots. Due to wish to continue this lawsuit Mr. Afran/Mayer and try to get this class certified or due to wish to drop it right here?
Just my $0.02 and not legal advice,