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  1. AzPatsFan

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    Judging from the hysteria and general abysmal idiocy of the average Jets fan, and their insufferable overweening provincialism with NY as the center of the Universe, Mangini has no possibility of NOT being fired.

    [Mod Edit: Political statement - Infraction - Poster has been around long enough to know the rules]

    I now fully see why BB wrote that terse note: "I resign as the HC of NYJ".

    It's a no-win situation, and a poisonous environment that makes it impossible to exist for even a good coach. Cower coached for 15 years, and won one Superbowl. He got to maybe 10-12 playoffs, and a couple of conference championship games. For the Jetski's anything other than the 1 in 15 record, the SB victory, would lead to demands that he be fired too, as soon as the fickle fans tired, and sought new novelty.

    Consider this: The Ratgina will have produced a 10 win, and a 9 or 10 win season, in two of his three years, and is loathed as a hopeless incompetent, and teh focus of all that is wrong with the Team. They demand his firing. What does a guy have to do?

    The Jetski's say they have a fine team of 7 pro-bowlers, ignoring the NY celebrity bias of the media, contributing to their selections. Many got there living off long past reputations. Most of whom were imported for big FA contracts, because they were team cancers, and/or their old team didn't want them for whatever reason. I offer e.g. "Fats" Woody who can't control his weight. Or way, way, way, past his prime, undisciplined Brett F. Brett Favre, the previous early season designated Messiah, is acting like a typical 40 year old QB. He looks like he just ran out of gas after about 8 or 9 games, as is to be expected. That is simple "Over-the-Hill-itis". :eek:

    The doofuses Jetskis can't see that, yet it obvious to anybody else. :rolleyes:

    These ding-a-ling fans assume that ANY body would jump at the chance to go to the Jets. They don't even see that most coaches look for an Opportunity. Coaching the Jets (or the Cardinals) is more akin to a Sentence, instead.:p

    Besides they are now facing a CAP situation being projected to be OVER for next year by $26 million or so, and are a Team totally without a QB, in spite of that monstrous figure. What competent or even semi-competent Coach wants into that? :eek:
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    Always good to know that sorry franchise is going downhill fast. Nice post man...
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  3. HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

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    Last offseason was desperation mode for the Jets. Everyone knows that. The team is built to win now and what I mean by now is this season (2008-2009) or never. I wouldn't be suprised if Favre wanted to play again next season but come on. Favre needs to realize that if his Jets can't make the playoffs playing in a divsion with Tom Brady sidelined since week 1 and the Dolphins coming off a 1-15 season, it will never happen and it's time to hang it up. Brady will be back next season, the Pats should have a strong draft, fill some holes in free agency and dominate the divsion come next season. If I'm the owner of the Jets after spending all of that money in free agency, drafting a workout warrior (Gholston), trading picks for Lord Favre and playing a division that should have been handed to them when Brady went down but miss the playoffs is embarrasing! Mangini will be fired if they miss the playoffs.
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    Not a bad post,

    MOD EDIT: The political statement has been handled by the moderators.
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    On one hand, he has to win Sunday to save his job.....on the other hand, is there dissension that will make it impossible to do so??

    BB tried hard to warn him, but he went on over to the dark-side anyway, you get what you deserve, RATGINA.
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    +1. Football and presidential politics have no overlap in the real world. Let's keep it that way.
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    Hmmmm....that caused a double take.

    Silly to ruin a not horrible post with irrelevant idiocy.
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    NOOOOOOOOOOOO :eek::eek:

    Jets will be fine on Sunday!

    Squish the Fish!

    J-E-T-S!
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    Isn't "Jets Problems" redundant?
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    They have the very problem that creates them.. they are the Jets ;)
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    I thought more of an oxymoron.
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    Pro Football Weekly has some thoughts : :)

    The Way We Hear It - NFL pro football rumors and insider news from Pro Football Weekly

    “The Jets went out and spent the motherload in free agency this year. They are scheduled to be $26 million over the cap next season. Whoever inherits that mess — if they don’t get to the playoffs — is going to have their work cut out for them. They restructured contracts the old-fashioned way — the same way San Francisco, Denver, Dallas and Washington did — all those teams that try to buy championships.”

    “What’s amusing — when (former GM) Terry Bradway was getting pushed aside, all (Jets GM) Mike Tannenbaum talked about was drafting and developing talent. I think they realized, when the second year didn’t go as smoothly, that it’s not as easy as he thought it was going to be. He poured all that money into the team to save their jobs, and now they are fighting for the division. Let me tell you — if they don’t win the division with all the money they spent — especially in a year when the Patriots have 14 players on (injured reserve) and are without Tom Brady — I don’t know if they’ll ever win it. I feel sorry for Woody Johnson.”
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    I only saw the edited version, thought it was a good post. When an organization ill for that long, the problems must be ownership and environment. At least the Dolphins will be competitive next year.
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    I think you're missing the point.

    They gave MangIdiot $140 million in off season acquisitions, a Hall of Fame QB, and the added luck of not having to face off against a Brady led Patriots team - that subsequently lost its starting RB and half a dozen defensive starters.

    If MangIdiot can't make the playoffs and be more than a mediocre team this year, he never will be - hence, he's likely gone after this season.

    I give Jets fans and ownership a tiny bit of respect for not being fooled by the "accomplishment" of a 10-6 record, whether they squeak into the playoffs or not.

    This should NOT be a mediocre team - but it is, and that's ultimately MangIdiot's fault.
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    I don't. I'm glad to see their team go down the tubes. With the exception of 'gunnails', i've never met a nice Jets fan. Now the Dolphins, that's different. I know alot of Dolphin fans who are nice, and i'm happy for them. Plus, I've always thought Pennington was better than people gave him credit for, so i'm happy for him having some success the year he gets ousted from the Jets. With that said, I hope Pennington puts up serious numbers against the Jets, but loses the game anyways, for obvious reasons. :D
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    You see I disagree a bit. I blame Tannebaum as much as I blame Mangini. Yes, Mangini is a horrible coach as shown in his decision making in the Seattle game, but Tannebaum adopted the Daniel Snyder theory of building a team by acquiring overrated and/or over the hill talent to try to buy a team.

    Yes, Brett Favre is a first ballot HOF, but he is an average at best QB right now. I know the media loves to ball wash the guy, but he gave the Jets exactly what they should have expected from the guy. He was destined to lose the Jets as many games as he won them possibly more losses than wins.

    The knock on Kris Jenkins was his conditioning and health. Is it really surprising that his production dropped off exponentially the last month?

    Calvin Pace only had one good year before he came to the Jets. Not surprising he has had an up and down year.

    Damien Woody has been a mess since he left the Jets. Are we shocked he has struggled at a position he had only played 4-5 games at before the Jets acquired him?

    Anyone who watched the Steelers over the last few years knew that Faneca wasn't the player he used to be. Again, how can anyone be surprised that he has had an up and down year?

    Mangini should be fired because he is completly lost as a head coach. But lets not make it sound like he had the weapons just because Tannenbaum overspent for mediocre and average talent. Tannebaum needs to take plenty of the blame. Most of us non-Favre ball washers knew that this team was not going to be all that good. You take away Dick Jauron snagging defeat away from the jaws of victory and the Jets winning the coin flip in overtime vs. the Pats, they could have been playing for .500 this weekend rather than a slim hope for a playoff berth.
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    Do you know what the Jets biggest problem is? They share a division with the New England Patriots, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.

    Everything they do is compared against the Pats, good or bad. Do you think they'd be the same had the last 8 years never happened? No chance. They'd be delighted with a shot at the division title and a few 10 win seasons.
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    If I'm not mistaken, the name Jets was chosen at least in part because of the alliteration of other New York sports teams, and the fact that it was not far from LaGuardia.

    Jets, Mets, Nets

    They were originally the Titans
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    True, though the Nets came later. They wanted to distance themselves from the Giants (Titans sounding like a Giants wannabe) and also be more modern (jets replacing airplanes, jet setters.)
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    Don't be surprised if they get into the Matt Cassel sweepstakes in the off season. The Jets are not going to stand being second fiddle to the Giants.
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    The biggest mistake was getting Favre. In Favre's worst 7 games he has 4 td's and 13 picks for 6 loses. While other people didn't play well, Favre really killed the Jets in those games.

    The Jets are not in a bad cap situation. Favre has $12 million coming to him next year but if he retires the Jets get a large amount of cap space.

    Trading for Jenkins was a great move. He dominated until the Denver game and was pretty much unstoppable. No one knows the truth but the reports from the beat writers are that he's more hurt then anyone is admitting. I don't think he's out of shape, but I do think playing the 3-4 NT did wear on him. Players like Wilfork, Hampton and Jamal Williams are used to the position but it's so different then playing DT in the 4-3.

    Pace is a real good player. He's not great at anything but he can cover, rush the passer and stop the run. They did overpay for him but he's been very good for the Jets.

    Faneca and Woody did stabilize the offensive line. Woody has been great at RT not only as a run blocker but also as a pass blocker. Faneca has made Brick and Mangold much better. His pass blocking has been average but his run blocking has been great. Faneca is definetely not a great lineman anymore but he's still good.

    The Jets had 4 huge holes on their team last year. They had a ton of cap room and they were able to fill the LG, RT, NT and OLB positions. I don't consider it desperate, it was smart.

    They've drafted extremely well with the exception of Gholston. They have a very good core of young players in Leon Washington, Cotchery, Stuckey, Keller, Brick, Mangold, Harris, Revis, Rhodes and Lowery.

    While all of you hate Mangini and I understand where your coming from, he has won 10 and 9 or 10 games in 2 of his first three seasons. Most of the Jets fans want him fired which is the typical Jets fans reaction.

    The Jets need to find a QB, whether that's Ratliff, Clemens, Ainge or someone they draft. They need to add speed at WR and on the defense.

    While I'm happy with the direction of where the Jets are going, I know that the Pats are still the best all around organization in football. You guys got killed with injuries and still manage to be a very good team this year. If Brady comes back healthy and you get 5 picks in the first three rounds the Pats will be even better next year.
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    i agree. MANGINA IS DEFINITELY DONE
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    I agree with a lot of your post, and even the quoted section above, to an extent. Jenkins, when healthy, can dominate at the most important position in a 3-4. That said, injuries are part of what you're getting with him. Although he played in all 16 games in 2006 and 2007 (after playing 5 total in 2004 and 2005), it was pretty widely known that he was an injury risk before this season. I still like the signing for the Jets, but you can't really ignore the injuries when you evaluate it.
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    Yeah it is realistic that you won't get 16 full games from him. I still like the trade since they only gave up a 3rd and a 5th. No way they would have gotten anything like him in the draft. The Jets definitely have work to do but I think with a QB who doesn't turn the ball over they would have won against against Oakland, SF and Seattle.

    But that's the problem with Favre. You live and die with him. He can make a coach look great or horrible.
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    We must be watching different Jets teams, because I've seen a very unimpressive Woody and Ferguson, just to name a couple of players we seem to disagree about.

    Also, the Jets are right about at $128 million for next season with Favre so, even without him, they'll be looking at $115 million. The cap is projected to be at about $123 million. In other words, the Jets cap situation sucks (although there does appear to be some dead weight that can be cut loose if needed), at least according to the following site:

    New York Jets Salary Cap
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    What a travesty if they miss the playoffs after that offseason splurge. I hope Favre is back next year crushing their cap and playoff hopes again.
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    Its a win win for the Pats really whether Favre decides to call it quits or come back another year. He's an average to good QB at best and will cost the Jets big money if he returns another year, if he goes the Jets likely starter for next season will be Kellen Clemens, good luck with that.
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