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  1. swheeler23

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    Would you want Brady to take hgh if it would speed up his recovery? If it is givin by a doctor is it legal for a regular person to take?
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    I believe there is only one legal reseaon a doctor can perscribe this...(per the Steeler HGH story)

    To add to his question. Lets hypothetically say Brady wouldn't be ready until week 6 but if he used it he would be ready to start the season? What then? He could admit to using it serve 4 games and be back 2 games quicker.
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    What is that reason?I dont remember.
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    There are many reasons HGH can be legally prescribed, however in the NFL it doesn't matter. Legal, legitimate, or not, it violates the NFL drug policy.

    That being said, I hope he's on it now but just a little more careful than Rodney was. I don't think it should be banned, and it can't be tested for, I think it's use in injury recovery should be allowed and supervised by the league.
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    Brilliant notion, which is precisely why the league won't allow it. They could even limit it to players that are placed on IR.
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    Now, THAT would make a hell of a lot of sense. The real problem is it can't be tested for though. If the team doc has an approved stash of HGH for his IR'ed players, what's to stop the team from slipping a couple of shots under the table to to the guy with the sprained whatever, which is only going to keep him out for 3 or 4 weeks. Y'know? I just wish they'd limit the drug policy to actual performance enhancers, leave HGH and silly stuff like pot out of the equation.
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    I agree about the pot thing, just to start.

    As for the HGH, that's actually pretty easy. They could either require it all be routed through a 'league' doctor, or they could require that the doctor chosen be authorized (and required) to verify prescription amounts with a 'league' doctor/official. The problem isn't tracking it, since it's already untraceable if the player wants to be. The problem is that the league is run by people who think marketing is more important than the health of their players.
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    The problem with this supposition is that it runs contrary to all available medical evidence so far. Though researchers continue to explore possible medicinal uses of exogenous human growth hormone, the fact is that thus far, all studies have failed to show any evidence that HGH has any positive effect on healing, or has value as a performance enhancer.

    To put it bluntly: HGH just doesn't work.

    Some interesting reads on HGH, it's lack of efficacy, and why it remains an issue in sports can be found here, here, and here. The only people out there maintaining that HGH helps athletes are people trying to make money by selling HGH to athletes.

    So if it doesn't do anything, why does the NFL ban it? Because there are only two reasons the NFL ever bans anything: perception, and liability.

    Since much of the general public thinks that HGH is "cheating," or "unnatural," the NFL bans it to preserve the value of their "brand." That's one reason. But the primary reason is one of liability. This is the reason why the NFL bans the use of ephedra and "water pills." Basically, the NFL's existence creates a financial incentive to use potentially harmful substances that give you energy, help you cut weight, or, in the case of steroids, can actually boost performance. Thus, if they don't actively try to prevent the use of these substances, it can (and has) been argued in court that they tacitly encourage it, and should therefore be liable for damages when people harm themselves.

    This is the main reason why HGH is banned in the NFL. Although its known side-effects are fairly mild, there's no reason to think that research won't soon uncover evidence of serious long-term risks. It's safer, at this point, for the NFL to just keep it banned until there's convincing evidence that it a) does something useful and b) is safe.
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    Thanks boss, I was just about to look up how much hgh acually works.
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    NO. Full Stop.
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    While Slate and Sabernomics are probably fine web sites, I'd rely more on something a bit more scientific like PubMed PubMed Home where you'll find significant evidence to the contrary in both human and animal studies, although it's a bit of a pain to wade through the studies. :)
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    unless you have short bowel syndrome you won't find a doctor to administer it legally. the league can't allow something that is illegal.

    anyway, whoever said it doesn't work is nuts. it's the reason you grow when you are young....you have it in your body naturally, as you age you lose it.

    the long term side effects however are not fully known. joint problems and stiffness are often a short term side effect. don't think tom needs help adding stiffness to his knee.

    sure it speeds healing if you are taking huge doses but you'd also have a league of mutant monsters....bigger stronger faster players and that obviously means MORE injuries and more severe injuries.

    by not testing for hgh the major sports leagues are essentially encouraging players to take it. It's the worst secret in sports right now. but most football fans/pundits just don't care.
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    No way i want brady taking hgh or whatever is illegal.
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    HGH is not illegal. It is available by prescription
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    Illegal? I don't believe it's even scheduled (no, it is scheduled in some states, but not federally). Regardless, explain why it was approved for Adult GHD by the FDA in 1996. Explain why it's sometimes used in HRT in patients with a low IGF-1 count. Explain why it's used in the treatment of Aids related Waisting Disease, along with Turner Syndrome, Prader-Willi syndrome, and others, not to mention the controversial, though legal use of it in anti-aging treatments. There's nothing illegal about HGH, and it's used for much more than Short Bowel Syndrome.
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    funny thing, hgh is NOT a drug.

    But, then again... testosterone isn't either.

    I can agree that if you're using synthetic stuff, that isn't normal though.
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    Totally agree with this... spot on.
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    hgh only really works if it is injected. There are doctors who can do this.

    and it promotes health, but, not a drug in any way.

    the biggest benefit is, the anti-aging effects that they bring.

    This is an awesome idea if you're 40 years and older.
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    there are doctors who will do this... I don't know where you're looking.

    there is nothing wrong with hgh at all.
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    Synthetic is all you can get. They used to get it from cadavers, but there was some kind of long term risk of infection or disease (can't remember the specifics) that caused the FDA to pull cadaver harvested HGH, and eventually replace it with synthetic HGH.
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    Technically, there is a federal law in the United States that prohibits the use of human growth hormone for any purpose outside of a very narrow range of conditions. At the beginning of 2007, the federal government made some attempts to start enforcing this previously obscure law.

    Doctors in the United States simply ignore the law that prohibits the uses of HGH not approved by the FDA. Any doctor who does so is risking legal problems. Although it is almost impossible to actually convict any physician for prescribing HGH for any medical condition (because juries are more compassionate than government bureaucracies), the federal government has tried, and such attempts have been financially very costly for physicians.

    When I turn 40, I want hgh.

    It is mainly used for anti-aging.
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    I meant steroids.
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    What HGH therapy can do:
    • Reduce excess body fat, especially abdominal fat. (The reduction of abdominal fat is the single most profound effect of HGH replacement in many people.)
    • Increase muscle mass (and physical strength if combined with moderate exercise).
    • Reduce wrinkling of the skin and some other effects of skin aging.
    • Re-grow certain internal organs that have atrophied with age.
    • Increase bone density.
    • Strengthen the immune system.
    • Reverse cognitive decline.
    • Stimulate production of the bone marrow cells that produce red blood cells.
    • Reduce the probability that you will spend the last years of your life in a nursing home.
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    What HGH cannot do:
    • It cannot eliminate the effects of oxidation damage, although it may alleviate some of it.
    • It cannot undo the effects of cardiovascular disease, although it sometimes reduces some of its effects. It can also slow its progression by improving one's cholesterol profile.
    • It cannot eliminate the effects of the reduction of other hormones. In fact, a deficiency of certain other hormones will decrease the beneficial effects of HGH.
    • It cannot significantly reverse the damage to human proteins caused by glucose, although it may reverse a little of this damage.
    • Although it helps skin to look younger, it cannot eliminate all of the damage cause by sunlight and other ultraviolet sources.
    • It cannot increase maximum lifespan. For many people with HGH or IGF-1 genetic defects, it can significantly extend life expectancy.
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    The whole problem with this, is, an alphabet agency called... the FDA.
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    The only naturally-occuring growth hormone releasing peptide appears to be ghrelin. Ghrelin is a powerful appetite stimulant. When given to laboratory animals, the animals eat huge amounts of food. The weight gain induced by overeating completely overwhelms the fat burning caused by the growth hormone release, and the animals become obese. Pharmaceutical companies have produced synthetic growth hormone releasing peptides, such as GHRP-6 and hexarelin, which stimulate HGH in humans, but do not increase appetite significantly. These substances are not on the market yet, and probably won't be for many years.
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    Terry, you and I are getting wayyyy off topic here. :)
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    I guess you and I are hgh homers? :D
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    I'll rephrase the question

    QUESTION
    Do I want want Tom Brady to knowingly violate league policy, and perhaps be put under the NFL's drug policy for the rest of his career? Is this what I want from one of the best QB's that has ever played? And this violation would be to gain a couple of games?

    We've dealt with this question before. My answer is "No". Many here simply need data from a web site to recommend that others take prohibited substances.

    The bottom line is that the patriot franchise can choose to a leader of the NFL or it can choose to use any activity they can as long as the penalty isn't too much. After all, the rules are for other teams.
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    So, you would use you own personal judgement in order for you to use a drug that "might" have an anti-aging effect? Might I suggest that if this were even remotely possible, a dozen drug companies would have tested the drug long ago. Yes, juries are quite lenient, but I suspect that your hopes are misplaced. The leniency is most liekly to be to be in cases when patients take illegal drugs when terminally ill, to try a long-shot to save their lives.

    And before we quote a dozen websites, there will always be wesites receommending almost anything. What does WEBMD say, or Mayo Clinic or Harvard Medical?

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