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  1. swheeler23

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    Would you want Brady to take hgh if it would speed up his recovery? If it is givin by a doctor is it legal for a regular person to take?
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    I believe there is only one legal reseaon a doctor can perscribe this...(per the Steeler HGH story)

    To add to his question. Lets hypothetically say Brady wouldn't be ready until week 6 but if he used it he would be ready to start the season? What then? He could admit to using it serve 4 games and be back 2 games quicker.
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    What is that reason?I dont remember.
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    There are many reasons HGH can be legally prescribed, however in the NFL it doesn't matter. Legal, legitimate, or not, it violates the NFL drug policy.

    That being said, I hope he's on it now but just a little more careful than Rodney was. I don't think it should be banned, and it can't be tested for, I think it's use in injury recovery should be allowed and supervised by the league.
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    Brilliant notion, which is precisely why the league won't allow it. They could even limit it to players that are placed on IR.
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    Now, THAT would make a hell of a lot of sense. The real problem is it can't be tested for though. If the team doc has an approved stash of HGH for his IR'ed players, what's to stop the team from slipping a couple of shots under the table to to the guy with the sprained whatever, which is only going to keep him out for 3 or 4 weeks. Y'know? I just wish they'd limit the drug policy to actual performance enhancers, leave HGH and silly stuff like pot out of the equation.
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    I agree about the pot thing, just to start.

    As for the HGH, that's actually pretty easy. They could either require it all be routed through a 'league' doctor, or they could require that the doctor chosen be authorized (and required) to verify prescription amounts with a 'league' doctor/official. The problem isn't tracking it, since it's already untraceable if the player wants to be. The problem is that the league is run by people who think marketing is more important than the health of their players.
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    The problem with this supposition is that it runs contrary to all available medical evidence so far. Though researchers continue to explore possible medicinal uses of exogenous human growth hormone, the fact is that thus far, all studies have failed to show any evidence that HGH has any positive effect on healing, or has value as a performance enhancer.

    To put it bluntly: HGH just doesn't work.

    Some interesting reads on HGH, it's lack of efficacy, and why it remains an issue in sports can be found here, here, and here. The only people out there maintaining that HGH helps athletes are people trying to make money by selling HGH to athletes.

    So if it doesn't do anything, why does the NFL ban it? Because there are only two reasons the NFL ever bans anything: perception, and liability.

    Since much of the general public thinks that HGH is "cheating," or "unnatural," the NFL bans it to preserve the value of their "brand." That's one reason. But the primary reason is one of liability. This is the reason why the NFL bans the use of ephedra and "water pills." Basically, the NFL's existence creates a financial incentive to use potentially harmful substances that give you energy, help you cut weight, or, in the case of steroids, can actually boost performance. Thus, if they don't actively try to prevent the use of these substances, it can (and has) been argued in court that they tacitly encourage it, and should therefore be liable for damages when people harm themselves.

    This is the main reason why HGH is banned in the NFL. Although its known side-effects are fairly mild, there's no reason to think that research won't soon uncover evidence of serious long-term risks. It's safer, at this point, for the NFL to just keep it banned until there's convincing evidence that it a) does something useful and b) is safe.
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    Thanks boss, I was just about to look up how much hgh acually works.
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    NO. Full Stop.
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    While Slate and Sabernomics are probably fine web sites, I'd rely more on something a bit more scientific like PubMed PubMed Home where you'll find significant evidence to the contrary in both human and animal studies, although it's a bit of a pain to wade through the studies. :)
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    unless you have short bowel syndrome you won't find a doctor to administer it legally. the league can't allow something that is illegal.

    anyway, whoever said it doesn't work is nuts. it's the reason you grow when you are young....you have it in your body naturally, as you age you lose it.

    the long term side effects however are not fully known. joint problems and stiffness are often a short term side effect. don't think tom needs help adding stiffness to his knee.

    sure it speeds healing if you are taking huge doses but you'd also have a league of mutant monsters....bigger stronger faster players and that obviously means MORE injuries and more severe injuries.

    by not testing for hgh the major sports leagues are essentially encouraging players to take it. It's the worst secret in sports right now. but most football fans/pundits just don't care.
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    No way i want brady taking hgh or whatever is illegal.
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    HGH is not illegal. It is available by prescription
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    Illegal? I don't believe it's even scheduled (no, it is scheduled in some states, but not federally). Regardless, explain why it was approved for Adult GHD by the FDA in 1996. Explain why it's sometimes used in HRT in patients with a low IGF-1 count. Explain why it's used in the treatment of Aids related Waisting Disease, along with Turner Syndrome, Prader-Willi syndrome, and others, not to mention the controversial, though legal use of it in anti-aging treatments. There's nothing illegal about HGH, and it's used for much more than Short Bowel Syndrome.
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    funny thing, hgh is NOT a drug.

    But, then again... testosterone isn't either.

    I can agree that if you're using synthetic stuff, that isn't normal though.
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    Totally agree with this... spot on.
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    hgh only really works if it is injected. There are doctors who can do this.

    and it promotes health, but, not a drug in any way.

    the biggest benefit is, the anti-aging effects that they bring.

    This is an awesome idea if you're 40 years and older.
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    there are doctors who will do this... I don't know where you're looking.

    there is nothing wrong with hgh at all.
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    Synthetic is all you can get. They used to get it from cadavers, but there was some kind of long term risk of infection or disease (can't remember the specifics) that caused the FDA to pull cadaver harvested HGH, and eventually replace it with synthetic HGH.
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