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  1. Phoenix111

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    ................the return of Brady and hopefully the F U touchdown next year. I know BB probably doesn`t think like this, but I hope he keeps a mental list of all the players and coaches running off at the mouth or taking cheap shots and just blows the doors off of teams next year.
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    Re: I can`t wait for........

    I would be happy for a 2004 season and a bunch of 17-14 wins. I don't think this team is going to be favored next year so I think the scoring you speak of is a thing of the past.
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    Re: I can`t wait for........

    I don't think Brady will be fully ready to throw 40+ TDs in his 1st season back from such a major surgery. We'll be lucky if he's truly game ready by Week 1 next year.

    BTW, with this defense, we made need the so called F U TD just to win the game.
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    wouldnt it be the greatest thing if his first play back was a play action pass to moss for like 70 yards? I'd probably cry actually. Hope week 1 is a home game..imagin that crowd when he walks back on the feild?
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    And after the score, can Brady then go play defensive back for us, as that's our glaring weakness this year, not QB?
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    Re: I can`t wait for........

    Yeah, a lot of teams are enjoying these wins right now and forgetting we lost the best player in the league - you know, the 2008 MVP. This season is almost over, it won't be long until Brady is back and the league will have to gulp and realize they had their year of fun.

    We'll just have to see how things go with respect to the infection. If it clears then Brady is well on schedule. If not and it has to be re-done then it's a tight schedule but still the same as Phillip Rivers who is having by far his best year this year.
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    You don't think putting 30+ points up in every game would make a little difference ? It's a lot easier being a DB with a 14-0 lead and having more margin for error.
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    I do, and I can see what you're saying. But for all of the big lead, easy games last year, in the end it came down to our defense in a really tight game, and our defense came up wanting.

    And comparing last year's team to the ones that won Super Bowls, I believe that the defense has been the difference that pushed us over. I honestly think we would be in control of the AFC East and bucking for a bye right now if our defense was playing anywhere close to '03-'04 standards, even without Brady.

    So yeah, right now, I'd rather have a solid DB. Or a better pass rusher.
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    You'd take a "solid DB or better pass rusher" over Brady ???

    Wow.
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    Look, I think Brady is one of the greatest, if not greatest, QB ever. He was clearly the MVP of last season, and he has kept us in games we had no right being in, but I'm not sure right here or right now that he would be enough of a difference in getting us to the playoffs or deep into the playoffs.

    As we've often told Colts fans, one guy, even a Peyton Manning, doesn't win a Super Bowl. A team does. And right now, our team, on one side of the ball, looks awful. So yeah, right now I'd rather have someone fixing that side of the team rather than making our already good offense better.
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    To each his own I guess. But the idea that you would "trade" a healthy Brady for any single defensive player in the league is mysterious to me.
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    Whoa there... come back into the barn.

    I never said I'd trade Brady for anyone. I don't think you keep Cassel and trade Brady (though I understand the argument). Our offense is built around Brady, as he is reliably good from year to year. Who knows if Cassel is solid or a fluke (kind of like Anderson for the Browns last year)?

    I just said that right here and now, where we are at in this season, I'd feel a lot better if I knew Adalius was coming back or even if Rodney were coming back. I think our offense right now is pretty good. Brady would make it great. I think our defense (especially red-zone defense) is awful. AD would make it much better. As would Asante Samuel (assuming he was healthy). I think the difference in bringing the defense up is far greater than the difference in offense without Brady to with Brady.

    So, unless Brady could fix our D, I don't think this team, this year, is making it very far.
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    Cassel and Thomas vs. Brady and Woods ? I'll take Brady and Woods, thank you very much. I'd also take Brady and O'Neal over Cassel and any CB in the league.
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    Alright, but I think that's the recipe the Colts followed for all those years before Bob Sanders and others came in and actually made the defense respectable.
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    It's all about Manning. Take him off the team or take Sanders off the team ? The Colt defense hasn't made a big difference, they're still getting eliminated in the AFC playoffs, the one year they didn't was when Manning outscored the Patriots when we were in the 30s even with Sanders and the defense.
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    As poor as this defense has been, Brady's play at QB would've been the difference in at least two games, and the Pats would be looking at 9-3 with a division lead and perhaps a first round bye, instead of 7-5 on the outside of the playoffs looking in. Those claiming that it wouldn't make a difference if we had Brady or Cassel are lying to themselves.
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    the pats defense was not the problem in their SB against the giants......they gave up 17 points which is the least (along with the rams SB) they have ever given up in an SB.......

    14 points scored would not have won any of their SB's
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    Funny you bring up Peyton when the 2006 Colts defense had one of the worst run defenses of all time.

    One side of the ball may look awful now, but BelichickFan is right, that side of the ball wouldn't look that bad if Brady was around. The team was averaging 40 points a game for the majority of the season last year and settled in at 38 points a game. As bad as the defense has looked of late, our AVERAGE point total from last year still puts us in all those games - with the reality being that we probably get ahead and our D can play better by knowing its just playing the pass. Not to mention the 5 turnovers were the reason for the 33 points on Sunday, not necessarily the defense's playing poorly.

    We have no way of ever knowing, but my gut tells me we're probably 11-1 or 12-0 right now with Brady. It's a completely different ball club with him there, with all due respect to Cassel who has done a great job.

    To me, one of the most astounding things about this season is how quickly people forgot how insanely dominant our offense was last year.
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    I can understand a desire for the Patriot fan's to want to see there Pats get back to there dominating form, all fans can relate to this.

    But this I can't wait for the FU TD is just different. Seems arrogant.

    Sure you have your Jerry Porter's, still it seems to me the Pats get as much respect or more then most teams do.
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    I'm not saying it wouldn't make any difference, I'm saying it wouldn't make as much difference as if we had some better playmakers on D. If our D stops a 3rd and 15 in the Jets game, we probably win. If they did a bit more in the Colts game, we probably win. There're two games right there without Brady, which we should have won.

    You mean up until the playoffs, when the injured Sanders returned and shut down our running game? Kind of like Eli was an interception machine last year (except for the playoffs).

    That's the solution, just hide the Pats D problems by hoping every game is going to be a blowout?

    I don't forget. But I don't forget that the Vikings never won when they were an offensive juggernaut, and Indy hasn't fared much better until they addressed their D problems. The old saying is that defense and a strong running game wins Super Bowls. Right now I see neither from this team with or without Brady.
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