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where ya been pal?
wow.Goodell goes to great lengths in his decision to prepare for as much, with footnotes devoted to debunking many of the arguments Brady's legal team raised, whether it be related to the fairness of the appeal process, or how much access Goodell should have to his phone, or to the veracity of the science in Ted Wells' report. A good portion of this decision serves as a proactive volley seeking to negate the many ways in which this process will be attacked in court. It also goes to lengths to point out just how much of the scope of Goodell's powers are collectively bargained and outlined in the CBA between the league and its players, knowing full well that such documents generally hold great weight in a courtroom.
Above all else, however, one gets the sense that Goodell feels as if he, and this disciplinary process, are being trifled with by Brady. And that never sits well with him. There was one particular passage in the conclusion where I could almost envision Goodell seething, stopping just short of writing -- who the hell do you think you're fooling? And who the hell do you think you're messing with?
And the passage relates to what was the central theme of the entire ruling: If Brady wasn't behind the illegal deflating of balls, then why go to such lengths to make sure the contents of your cell phone were unobtainable? At least, unless securing access through the various parties he had communicated with on it during the time in question (Brady's legal team offered to provide a list of all of those individuals).
This sounds like a man who is beyond exasperated. Goodell also does well to attempt to equate the actions of illegally deflating a football with that of a first-time PED user, in that it seeks a competitive balance and, per the CBA, is a four-game fine. Which is "consistent" with Brady's ruling. And Goodell's goes on to note that while the NFL's game-day operations manual calls for a $25,000 fine for deflating balls, it does not preclude other ancillary discipline (and boy did we get some here).
Goodell's tone reads to me like a guy who, if in his eyes Brady would have just played ball or accepted some responsibility or had not done this bit with his phone, maybe there could have been a deal to be struck. But Goodell and Brady's lawyer, Jeffrey Kessler, don't see eye-to-eye on much, and given Brady's stance of accepting no culpability, it's no surprise that settlement talks went nowhere.
curiously...Interdasting the "Objective Pats Fan" is nowhere to be found. Odd.
I figured two which sounds like was on the table as long as TB12 admits guilt and sells out Jaz and McNally.Did anyone actually think RG would reduce the number of games to zero, no way in hell that was going to happen. Last few days they were trying to get Brady to take a 1 or 2 game suspension but Brady never budged which is why RG said screw it might as well show how much of a tough guy I am and keep it at 4 since your going to go federal court.
Did anyone actually think RG would reduce the number of games to zero, no way in hell that was going to happen. Last few days they were trying to get Brady to take a 1 or 2 game suspension but Brady never budged which is why RG said screw it might as well show how much of a tough guy I am and keep it at 4 since your going to go federal court.
So this was the purpose of the highly publicized trip to NYC while the rest of the team was in D.C. meeting the POTUS? To get a new phone which necessitated the destruction of an old one? Just asking.I would have purposely destroyed it for exactly the reason I already have given. I don't want people prying into my billion dollar personal life.
But regardless, legally, he's fine here. Someone's personal phone is not part of any discovery process. It is not even part of the CBA. So this isn't even a matter of destroying evidence. In fact, for this very reason, I would bet you that a good attorney would have advised him to destroy it.
Hey, that was just murder. This is important--it's football, Patriots football.If Aaron Hernandez and his attorney didn't have to turn over his cellphone for a murder trial, then by what logical leap can anyone suggest that Brady had any obligation to turn over his cellphone? Once your attorney looks at your cellphone, it is protected by attorney-client privilege, so says the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...-second-day/cSEkBkEawf8WPLocB8tqJL/story.html
And, Brady, in absence of the requested information's availability on the phone itself, gave Wells' team the phone numbers (no doubt from the monthly statement) to which the "relevant" texts were sent so they could track them down. The Wells team said that it was too much work to track them down.Goodell and Vincent don't do anything other than tell their lawyers what they generally want. Their lawyers do everything else--write everything, devise strategy, etc. And they have done a good job making Brady look pretty bad with limited evidence.
Dr. Pain's post is not on point, but off base, for the same reason virtually everyone else in here is off base--Wells never requested Brady's phone:
"Similarly, although Tom Brady appeared for a requested interview and answered
questions voluntarily, he declined to make available any documents or electronic information
(including text messages and emails) that we requested, even though those requests were limited
to the subject matter of our investigation (such as messages concerning the preparation of game
balls, air pressure of balls, inflation of balls or deflation of balls) and we offered to allow Brady‟s
counsel to screen and control the production so that it would be limited strictly to responsive
materials and would not involve our taking possession of Brady‟s telephone or other electronic
devices."
Wells Report, p. 21.
Yeah, somebody had to tape the gun behind the toilet in the washroom!Hey, that was just murder. This is important--it's football, Patriots football.
I agree with you Andy. The NFL was never going to see the contents of the phone. So why did Brady destroy it and then claim that was his usual practice with his phones which we know is a lie because he admitted to still having some of his old phones.
The phone was never going to be seen. He handed over the communications from it. Destroying it is irrelevant.Why would a guy whose own reputation and legacy means so much to him act out this way??
Why wouldn't he? No one was ever going to see it. He could walk around with it stapled to his forehead, and they still couldn't get access to it. Destroying it is meaningless.Tom isn't dumb. He has to know how this looks. Why would he destroy THAT phone???
Then you need to reconsider the facts.I defended Tom Brady as much as anyone throughout this whole mess.
My palpable dislike of Roger Goodell and the corrupt league office he runs has not changed one bit.
My view of Tom Brady has and it kills me to feel this way after believing in him and defending him at every turn lo these many months.
Did anyone actually think RG would reduce the number of games to zero, no way in hell that was going to happen. Last few days they were trying to get Brady to take a 1 or 2 game suspension but Brady never budged which is why RG said screw it might as well show how much of a tough guy I am and keep it at 4 since your going to go federal court.