zippo59
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.zippo59 said:Another reason Wright did not have a huge impact is because Wilfork was healthy the whole season. I think Wright was a pretty adequate back up.
dryheat44 said:I think everybody who was on the Klecko bandwagon needs to get off and climb onto the Wright bandwagon.
AzPatsFan said:In building a club like Belichick & Pioli are doing, it is important to succeed in the little things and allow time to let the little things accumulate. If a single UDFA merely makes the PS every year and only one or two graduate to the active roster than the Patriots are that one or two players better than their opposition.
But in fact we have seen Vinatieri, Paxton, Neal, Ashworth, Andruzzi, Gay, and Wright make the active roster. Six starters out of 25 is about 25% of the starters. IOW, the Patriots are 25%stronger than they would have been if Belichcik and Pioli took your advice and did not waste thier "time".
The pats had 40 years of such common sense prior to Belichick's arrival. I'll take his approach, if you don't mind & even if you do, as I like the results of being 25% stronger...
mgteich said:Please tell when 6 of our 25 starters are UDFA's. Your 25% makes no sense at all.
I named 6 starters out of 25 starters; 11 each on O & D, and the K, P, Ls.
The six starters were: Gay, Vinatieri, Paxton, Neal, Ashworth and Andruzzi. 6/25 is approximately 25%... Que'll probleme?
I agree that as you go down the draft rounds the chances of making a hit decrease untill in the seventh round its probably 1-2% per choice.
But you forget that the UDFA are helped by shear numbers. If you sign 15-20 UDFA, and each has a probability of 2%, then the probability of finding one player, given that you have 15-20 chances, is the sum of the probabbilities and is 30-40%.
That overall success probability approaches the surety of a day one pick. Now as to whether the overall athletic ability approaches a day one pick, I doubt it. Most are slower or smaller, but not all. Some are just inexperienced; for example Neal is the athletic superior of most day one Guards. Others missed lots of college experience due to injury. Gay was such an example. A pair of late draftees are other examples; Patrick Pass was a highly sought recruit from HS; he was just usually banged up and had little or no production to show for the draft. So was Matt Cassel; he just sat behind a Heisman trophy winner or two.
mgteich said:Let's use your list.
Neal - took several years to develop
Gay - beat out a 7th rounder after there were several injuries at the position
It is my position that the following have contributed almost not at all. The fact that they sat at the end of the bench for part of a year doesn't mean much to me.
Mruc
Childress
Thomas
Alexander
Britt (different because he is a 5th rounder, not an UDFA)
Ventrone
Wright (I don't think he was active much)