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    Cousins,
    Maybe they were not all great selections but the other AFC East Teams not named the Patriots have appeared to better themselves.

    The Jets have added LT, Antonio Cromartie, DT Rod Wright and S Brodney Poole. Like these players or not, it has made them at least somewhat better.

    The Fins have signed LB Dansby, Perhaps the best single AFC East signing so far.

    The Bills have signed DT Dwan Edwards, ILB Andra Davis (both still young and decent). OT Cornell Greene, DT Marlon Favorite.

    The Pats signed their own!! (oh yeah, they could have done this months ago) and some special teams LB called Murrell or Morall or something.

    Am I wrong or does their seem to be an issue here? Or do we go back to the old standard "The Draft is going to save us all!" routine.
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    "Better" is relative to what the other teams on the schedule look like in September through January. There is no "issue" here and still lots of time before rosters are settled. You also can NOT say they could have signed their own months ago.

    If no team lost a FA there would be no free agency. Just be patient, we don't need a new thread every day talking about the sky is falling in March. Let it play out.
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    Give it a rest already. It's March.
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    Dwan Edwards and Dansby are the only players I would consider improvements. The fact that Cornell Green is considered an upgrade is basically a testament to how bad the Bills' oline is.

    I don't know why people are so caught up in the Jet's signing of Cromartie and LT, one was basically ran out of town and traded away for nothing and the other is a shell of his former self. Honestly, If the Patriots had signed either of them I'd have been pissed.
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    Andra Davis is young?
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    Shouldn't you also consider the players that those teams lost, cuz?
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    Hey PJ!!!...where ya been?

    thought you got "shanghaied"....heh...that was a joke ,son...
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    I needed a little breather. But I'm back, and as bad as ever.
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    I took a 2 week breather myself. Now i come back to find out 3 afc east teams bettered themselves, and mine wasnt on the list.....:bricks:

    On a serious note, Im surprised there isnt more threads like this one on pg 1. I thought for sure i'd come back to threads about BB not signing every FA known to mankind, and how he's ruining the team :eek:
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    Don't worry, we'll see those after the draft.
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    There is the free agency period, the draft, and the cuts around camp time. All 3 must be looked at as one.
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    There is the free agency period, the draft, and the cuts / signings around camp time.

    All 3 must be looked at as one.
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    I said this in an earlier post, but this wouldn't be an issue had the Pats drafted better. In fact, their '06 and '08 drafts have really come back to haunt them. Also, despite people overrating their '09 draft, they are all still questions marks as they haven't proven jack sh*t other than spot duty. So it's comical when people on this board say their defense is "set" because of their '09 draft.

    If nobody from that '09 draft class steps their game up and earns a starting job, this team will be in big trouble. If the Pats can't find a instant starter in their 2010 draft, which is said to be very deep, this team will be in big trouble.
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    all you seem to do is complain, maybe its time to start following miami or the jets..... R.Blue.
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    I agree, the sky is falling. Where can I buy insurance for that? :p :bricks:
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    I agree their defense isn't yet set. I'm not trying to bash you (I like alot of your posts) and this isn't directed only at you, but those are some pretty big "IFs". Most teams have those kind of IFs, if not more. So why not wait to see how things play out in FA and the draft before being very negative? I guess this is directed more at the OP.
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    LOL, so the bills improved from a horrible team, to a less-horrible team

    the phins lost two OLB edge rushers in joey and taylor, and their starting safety, and added the best ILB in football, making it even

    the jets improved their secondary with cromartie in the best case scenario, or simly replaced one washed up player with another, and replaced a very good rb, with one that has nothing left

    we signed our best guys back, and lost ppl which were minimal in our success


    ....umm, yea, i like the above view better
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    Let me rephrase my statement as it seems more harsh than it really is. What I meant by "trouble" is that they won't be a championship quality team. I expect them to win the division but get bounced out of the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs if they continue to have drafts like they've had. Expect seasons like '02, '05 and '09.

    The only difference between other teams having the same "Ifs" as the Pats is that they don't have Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Drew Brees. Specifically, Brady and Manning are expected by their fans and the media to compete for a super bowl victory every season. The same cannot be said for most teams in the NFL.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the current approach of the Pats which is not spending big in free agency but building through the draft. The only problem is, their recent drafts have been pretty bad (specifically '06 and '08). Also, I said last year's draft was the most critical in the BB's era and out of 10 picks, none made an impact. That's pretty pathetic when a team is going through as much turnover as the Pats. This draft will be interesting as it's being hyped up as one of the best classes in years. It's not asking much for the Pats to acquire one player in this year's draft to make an impact. Despite what most fans say on this board, plenty of positions are up for grabs.
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    I don't see how the Jets have improved. How is LT+Cromartie+Poole an upgrade over Jones+Sheppard+Rhodes? Cromartie and Rhodes are basically a wash as talented but overrated "name players" whose hype hasn't been warranted based on their play on the field recently. LT is washed up and a downgrade from Jones. I doubt anyone is real excited over Brodney Poole or cares about losing Sheppard. Another wash there.

    Seems like a very lateral off-season to me.
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    although most of what u said has merit, i must disagree w/ the bolded statements...

    yes we held on to 10 picks from last draft, and yes most of them not only have not really contributed, but have not shows anything (aside of edelmen arguably), but honestly, did u really expect an impact in the first year? i can only recall one rookie having an impact in all of BB's drafts here, not including DL and OL, which a rookie shouldnt have a hard time picking up b/c its simplified

    any other position i would expect impact 2nd year at the earliest, and at this stage, this year, is when well be able to judge this past draft class
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    I hear what you're saying, but at the same time I wouldn't say that none of last year's draftees made an impact. Most of them got decent playing time, some looked great in spots (Vollmer and Edleman), and many made key plays here and there (Butler, Chung, Pryor). We'll see what Tate and McKenzie can do this year. The only one I was really disappointed in is Brace, but then again Wilfork didn't play much as a rookie either. It's not easy to come into a complex system like the Pats' have, and I think overall the 2009 rookie class did have a meaningful, though not sensational, impact.
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    If they wanted to compete for a super bowl in '09? Yes. If they want to win with Brady now, they don't have time to be waiting around for draft picks to have spot duty here and there.
    This is where we disagree. I define "impact" as a player that steps in right away and earns a starting job. I'm not asking for a pro bowl player, but for a player that can show some consistency by staying in the starting lineup. I didn't like the musical chairs that they played at CB this season with Butler and Wilhite. In addition, I didn't like them playing musical chairs at OT with Vollmer, Kaczur and Light.
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    Fair enough, we'll respectfully disagree.
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    Expecting rookies to be impact players is a fool's game. Even top picks often don't do that in year one.

    1.) See part "A"

    2.) Ingram took the LS job from day 1.

    3.) Edelman was in the WR mix from the second game, where he caught 8 passes in relief of Welker. It was his injuries that knocked him out of the lineup after that.

    4.) While people spent the entire season overrating Vollmer, he was able to wrest the starting RT position from Kaczur by the end of the season. How much of that was Vollmer and how much was injury to Kaczur is something we'll never know. However, I think it's safe to assume that the RT job is Vollmer's to lose as we move forward into next season.

    5.) Butler was up and down, but he showed a level of talent that gives confidence. He should be in a position to compete for that CB2 spot this year. Hell, with Springs being another year older (and possibly getting the boot), Butler should probably be considered the favorite to win the job.

    6.) Chung looked about as I expected, since he came into the league not being able to cover.

    7.) Brace was what you'd expect from a 4-3 DT converting to a two gapping 3-4 NT. By that, I mean that he was a fish out of water. He'll need to step it up this season if he wants to solidify his place on the team.

    8.) I had no problem with the Tate selection. I expected him to be red-shirted. I wish he had been. Now we're left to hope that the second injury isn't one that seriously damages his career.

    9.) I'm intrigued by the possibility of McKenzie being able to play on running downs. It would eliminate the need to bring in someone to replace Guyton, since Mr. Guyton could be the designated "passing down" LB, and the two of them could potentially make an acceptable tandem. That lost season of McKenzie's last year puts him behind the curve here, unfortunately.

    10.) Ohrnberger and Bussey were MIA last season, as one would expect from later round o-linemen coming to the Patriots. I expect absolutely nothing out of either of them, as a result. If they can achieve backup status, that will be a plus.

    11.) Pryor did a fade over the course of the season. I have no idea what to expect out of him. In the interest of what I consider smart planning, I therefore expect nothing out of him and hope for pleasant surprise.

    So.... Vollmer, Ingram, Butler, Tate, McKenzie and Edelman should all be able to give some legitimate competition in training camp, and most, if not all, of them should be expected to get some real playing time during the season. That's a pretty solid hall for just one draft.
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    I agree with pretty much all of this. I think Butler and Chung get a lot of s*** for not being pro-bowl players yet. The 2010 SB isn't going to be determined by the 2009 draft and next year's super bowl isn't going to be determined by this year's draft. I for one am VERY excited for Butler and Chung. Butler has already shown he can play better than Wilhite and Wheatley, and Chung (coming into the pros with the reputation as a hard hitter) has become a great special team player and has started to become a presence on D. Vollmer has obviously shown his worth, and much more so with Edelman. Tate is what we drafted - high risk, high reward... either way we shouldn't be suprised. McKenzie is the interesting one - either his injury is a fluke and he shows up to make a difference, or he will spend another year on the Crable'd List errrrr.... disable'd list.
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    I think Pryor deserves a little love for getting some PT as a 6th rounder, especially ahead of Brace. He did seem to hit the wall during the year, but I'm optimistic that he can be a solid backup.
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    Heard Peter King the other day speaking about how the really good teams seldom make a splash at the onset of Free Agency.. last year Indy and NOLA did not sign anyone initially.. there was more to it, but got distracted.. the top 4 teams according to Las Vegas Odds.. San Diego, Indy, NOLA and the Pats have been relatively quiet..

    Without regard, last year we had something like 15 rookies on our team.. some of which fared extremely well, and some were red shirted.. 4 were on IR Tate, McKenzie, Bussey and Lockett.. maybe two will have an impact.

    I suspect that this team will fill some holes, but in reality will focus on building through the draft....

    Shiny beads are not always better..
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