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ESPN Poll: Would you want your team to go after Matt Cassel

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  1. smg93

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    As of 106,000 votes, the answer is 52% Yes

    To over simplify, let's assume that all the respondents are spread evenly across all NFL teams (yes, I know it's a huge assumption), that means that the fanbase of approximately half of all NFL teams would want to pursue MC. This would mean that there would be good demand for his services next year and MAY mean that a Franchise Tag then a Trade is actually a viable option again assuming of course that the fanbase is a good representation of what the NFL GM's are also thinking.

    Should this be the case, what in your minds would be "fair" compensation for him?
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    A low first and a high third or two seconds.

    And I'll say this: I'd like to see all gained picks come from the upcoming draft.
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    If it's a package deal with McD, its a no-brainer. I think if McD does leave, Cassel following him makes sense. If I were the fan of another team, I would have my doubts about how Cassel would do without McD, Moss & Welker around him. He's clearly shown he has above-average decision making skills and great accuracy. But if he goes to Detroit, will he get to show those things? I dunno.
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  4. smg93

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    Let's also say he continues to play well and takes the pats to the playoffs and does well there, do you guys think that two first rounders is a stretch, or could that be fair compensation?
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    Don't forget there's a poison pill in the CBA that makes it tougher for teams that reach the divisional playoffs in the last capped year to sign UFAs the next offseason (not impossible, but tougher).

    So I wouldn't mind 2009 2 + 2010 2.
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    I don't know about two firsts, but look at it this way:

    Your team needs a Marquee QB, someone the team can get behind, someone to turn around your fortunes.

    Do you spend a high draft pick on a great college QB hoping he can adjust to the NFL, or do you spend it on an NFL ready QB with less wear and tear on him than the college guy, who is coming from the best system in the NFL?

    And odds are, you're going to have to pay the rookie more money.

    I'd take the lower-risk option EVERY day. It's also going to help those season-ticket sales for at least a year to take a guy who made the news every week (in a good way).
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    Aren't we facing the possible end of the draft with no CBA in place?
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    I didn't think about this. That's right, all those high first rounders do get paid a ton of guaranteed money without ever having played in the NFL.
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    ESPN also provides a state-by-state breakdown, so we can actually get a better idea of what certain fan bases think.

    Massachusetts 76%(!)
    Minnesota 71%
    Michigan 65%
    Missouri 61%
    Washington 58%
    California 56%
    North Carolina 56%
    Illinois 54%
    Florida 53%
    Tennessee 51%
    Connecticut 51%
    Texas 49%
    Pennsylvania 47%
    Ohio 45%
    New York 42%

    And then we get to the only five states <40%, i.e., DO NOT WANT territory. . . .
    Wisconsin 40%
    Georgia 40%
    Colorado 39%
    Indiana 38%
    Louisiana 33%
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    I'd be great if we let the fan polls decide...although in some places I guess they do...

    At the end of the day a QB drafted in the first is going to cost you your #1 (and maybe more if you're moving up for him) and anywhere from $45-65M in contract with upwards of $20M+ in guaranteed or signing bonus money. There will likely be options in the draft later in the first or second round, but the fact they will be there as opposed to top 10 is telling...and it's generally a crap shoot whether you can grab 'em once the draft starts unfolding. So it really depends on what other needs a team is looking to fill in 2009 and what underutilized pieces they have in place on offense and how close they feel they are to competing if they don't add a viable starter to the mix in 2009.

    If Matt remains a positive here win or lose he will certainly be worth more than Matt Schaub. By how much is anyone's guess.
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    Not until 2012; the CBA specifically mandates a draft for every year the contract runs, plus the first offseason after that (i.e., the salary cap ends in 2009, the CBA in 2010, the Draft--if nothing is done to extend it--in 2011).
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    As much as we are facing the end of the NFL... Some CBA will be entered into one way or another or there won't be football as we know it come 2011-12...

    The last scheduled draft is 2011 because drafts are only permissible under anti-trust exemptions if they are collectively bargained for.
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    So let's look at these states (and ignore MA!). You've got the Vikings, Lions, Rams, Seahawks, 49ers (likely not the chargers), Panthers, and Bears as probable trading partners.

    All of a sudden, $14m for the franchise tag doesn't look at all that bad. Because there are so many teams, the likelihood of offers from them being more than $14m guaranteed looks more and more likely.

    Detroit as a trading partner would be awesome!
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    I like detroit and also arizona, because of the abundance of WR talent on each team.
    But I really think the Vikings would make a really hard push, even if Cassel doesnt become a top QB when he arrives, he is still good enough to take the vikings into the playoffs and help them contend in the NFC.
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    Put me down too...i think the Vikings would be fools not to make a serious run at Matt Cassel who has great ceiling. The Vikings have the best RB in the Game in AP add a Top flight WR and the Vikings would be contenders for years to come.
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    I added teams and QB names to your list.

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    I guess they should also have "Would you want your team to go after Tom Brady" poll now.
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    ESPN really inadvertently helped us out by doing that poll. Worst case scenario we franchise him. No way Cassel walks and we get nothing in return.
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    Your cost estimates are really only valid for a top-11 pick (see Rothlesberger/Cutler for proximate rookie contracts for a #11 compared to a Quinn or Campbell for a late teen/early twenties QB contracts). But even chosing in the top 10 will produce a significant number of busts --- see Vince Young, Ryan Leaf etc. I think your argument is stronger if you take out the money and look at the risk/reward profile as the better argument is that Cassel or any other veteran coming off of their rookie contracts will have demonstrated an ability to play or not to play at NFL speeds with NFL complexities and disguises in effect instead of projection uncertainty from a college match-up to an NFL match-up.

    That I think is where the risk/reward frontier lies, and not at the cost of signing a draft pick or even the opportunity cost of going QB versus other position in the draft.
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    The results don't surprise me given the compensation needed for a franchised player. I can guarantee this poll will look a lot different if Cassel is an integral part in leading the Patriots to the Superbowl.
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    The reasons why the poll sits around 50% is 7-4 record of the patriots and the have not secured a playoff spot yet. If Cassel gets into the playoffs and make it to the AFC Championship game that poll will be sitting around 80%.
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    True, but the point is even now at only 7-4, there could be more than half the nfl fanbases who would rather have MC as their QB rather than their existing one. Whether it's 50% or 80%, all this tells me is that a likelihood of a Franchise Tag and Trade is quite strong if we assume that the interest remains as is or even gets stronger.
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    Out of the >40% group, the teams that seem to be likely to make a strong push for Cassel would be Vikings, Lions, Rams, 49ers, Bears, Bucs, and Eagles (depending on what they do with McNabb).
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    Somehow the software is reducing my Capital letters when I preview a post...weird.
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    If this poll had been taken in preseason, about 75% of The fans wouldn't have known who Matt is. I doubt that 5% would have wanted him, including NE fans. This just shows how much Cassel's stock has soared.
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    All NFC teams, works for me.....I don't like losing really good players to other AFC teams.
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    Why would the percentage of fans who want a player in any given region, have any bearing on the front office of a team securing that player's services?

    Wisconsin is in the "No thanks" realm, and they're most easily tied to their fan-base, given the GB municipal ownership thing.

    Every other team is purely owned as a business. It is absolutely irrelevant whose fans say they want Cassel in evaluating Cassel's future.

    PFnV
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    I would list

    Tampa
    Philly
    Minnesota

    As likely candidates. All three are legit contenders if they get a QB. Philly is the most interesting if Andy Reid goes.

    Would love to see MC prove the McNabb ballwashers wrong.
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    I will have a terrible nightmare in the next few days where Cassel and Chad Jackson team up to decimate our 2ndary. That won't ever happen, right?
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    I didn't see the poll but I think most of these fans consider Cassel a free agent. How many would give up a 1st for him is more debatable. The Schaub deal was for 2nd round picks in 2008 & 2009 and swap of 1st (moving Atlanta up 2 places).

    While I'd love to get something for Cassel, he's been a good trooper and served his time as a backup. I'd have no gripe if he became a free agent. The danger would be that he would collect his $14m for nothing and get a free agent's contract for $4-5 pa in 2010 instead of $8m now.
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