[Edited thread title] Jack Jones arrested for possession of firearms at airport

[Ring 6]

You got the wrong race. How quickly folks forget….

The Thuggee | Encyclopedia.com

And you’re recasting common usage…

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I don’t have anything wrong, thug is a widely accepted dog whistle of anti black racism. What is was in the early 19th century doesn’t mean much 200 years later.

 

[sambam94]

I don’t have anything wrong, thug is a widely accepted dog whistle of anti black racism. What is was in the early 19th century doesn’t mean much 200 years latelo

I don’t have anything wrong, thug is a widely accepted dog whistle of anti black racism. What is was in the early 19th century doesn’t mean much 200 years later.

accepted by those with their own insecurities of racism.

 

[BTTA]

I know the Whiskey Rebellion. I have a relative who wrote a book on it. It had nothing to do with the right to bear arms. It had everything to do with The Federal Govt imposing a TAX. You'll also note that it was because of the Whiskey Rebellion that they updated the Militia Act in 1795.

It doesn't matter what Washington did. The point is that from DAY 1, our Founding Fathers wanted us to keep our firearms. They wanted this because they'd just finished a War with what they deemed to be a Tyrannical Govt.


“The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” - Samuel Adams

“The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.” -Zachariah Johnson, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 25, 1788

“The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” -Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers p. 184-B.

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of." - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

“The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.” – St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms.”
—Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on “militia” in the 2nd Amendment

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”- Sen. Richard Henry Lee

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

Bliss v. Commonwealth (1822) and Nunn v. George (1846) also affirmed the individual right to bear arms.

Those are quotes for you from our Founding Fathers on the matter. Feel free to explain how they aren't saying that the people have the individual Right to bear arms. Same with the 2 Court Cases.

Man, I grow tired of all this referencing of a 250 year old document that was designed to solve a completely different problem set than we have now, as a rationale for an argument over the best public policy for our current problem set.

We are right on the edge of making the planet completely unlivable for us and most of the rest of the higher life forms, all in the name of upholding the "freedoms" as defined by a handful of elite wealthy men whose understanding of our world today was about the same as a cave man's understand of theirs.

We need adults in the room.

 

[moosekill]

Not really my business as i am from the UK but surely It is outdated in regards to why it was written in the first place? It may have been an advantage 200 yrs ago, if anything it appears to be the opposite now. What advantages does it bring?

Tell that to the people in Ukraine. In WW 2, Japan considered invading the US, and decided against it because “g: "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.” Oh wait we were busy sending our troops to Europe to protect England.

 

[BTTA]

Well, I did once try to get a bag through TSA with a hammer in it. Brought it to my office to hang some art, then put it in my soft sided briefcase to bring back home and forgot about it. Most remarkable thing is that I kept carrying it without noticing the extra weight.

"Um, sir, there's a hammer in your bag."
"Oh, crap, yes, there is. Sorry about that. Just forgot. I guess I'll have to leave it here. Can one of you at least take it home and put it to good use?"
"No sir, it goes to a warehouse and gets auctioned off."

So somewhere, hopefully, somebody bought my hammer for a couple of nickels and is using it. It was a good hammer.

 

[Pats2000]

Feds are involved becuase it was at an international Airport inside the check point once your in the check point your subject to FAA, Homeland security and whatever else federal laws they wanna add..

Yes, but that's not a criminal offense federally, its a large fine

 

[Pats2000]

How many people does the tv kill every year?

bit of a false equivalency there, LFG

Thats not the point i was making, reading into my statement much? I was asking because he said it required a license

 

[Pats2000]

I don’t have anything wrong, thug is a widely accepted dog whistle of anti black racism. What is was in the early 19th century doesn’t mean much 200 years later.

Not every word is racist. Enough with trying to make everyone a racist all the time.

 

[Pats2000]

Man, I grow tired of all this referencing of a 250 year old document that was designed to solve a completely different problem set than we have now, as a rationale for an argument over the best public policy for our current problem set.

We are right on the edge of making the planet completely unlivable for us and most of the rest of the higher life forms, all in the name of upholding the "freedoms" as defined by a handful of elite wealthy men whose understanding of our world today was about the same as a cave man's understand of theirs.

We need adults in the room.

There are adults in the room. The fact is that 250 year old document had created the most prosperous country in known history. Equality and rights have bever been a higher level and that idea of democracy has been exported to many parts of the world, rising up standards of living everywhere. You are proposing blowing something up that works better than any form of government ever conceived because things arent perfect. They never will be and socialism and communism always end up in millions dead and politically imprisoned. And i know you arent smart enough to think of a better system that works in real life.

Let me ask you, who exactly had things better in history than us right now from an equality, equity, freedoms, and prosperity standpoint?

 

[anditsgood]

congrats guys, you made an article about a player doing one of the most stupid thing (possession of a gun to an airport) that any 3 year old would know is the most illegal thing you can do, into something political

he will get cut, perhaps prison time, unless he throws every penny he has earned in the NFL to lawyers to bail out his stupid ass

 

[Pats2000]

So cut and dried that we’ve spent 200+ years debating it.

Weve spent 200 years debating every aspect of the constitution. Not sure what your point is

 

[RIpats88]

to be fair though, how dumb do you have to be to think you can bring a loaded gun through TSA

when you can't even bring a bottle of Soap...

 

[Ring 6]

accepted by those with their own insecurities of racism.

Wrong, by people sensitive to racist trope dog whistles.

 

[BTTA]

There are adults in the room. The fact is that 250 year old document had created the most prosperous country in known history. Equality and rights have bever been a higher level and that idea of democracy has been exported to many parts of the world, rising up standards of living everywhere. You are proposing blowing something up that works better than any form of government ever conceived because things arent perfect. They never will be and socialism and communism always end up in millions dead and politically imprisoned. And i know you arent smart enough to think of a better system that works in real life.

Let me ask you, who exactly had things better in history than us right now from an equality, equity, freedoms, and prosperity standpoint?

I didn't propose blowing anything up, and you know it.
Nor am I suggesting a political system as a problem or a preference. That's entirely on you.
That's part of the problem today, and you are making it worse: conversations get immediately escalated and distorted in order to serve a political purpose. What we need is calm, thoughtful, empathetic exploratory dialogue between people.
Your conclusion that there's no reason to explore how we might do better, because the only options are what we have, or socialism or communism, is the perfect example of how we cripple ourselves.

 

[crawhammer]

Quoting myself here to remind everyone within the same page since people kept going anyway.

It's kinda too late for this. Where were you when some asshat called me a racist because of their own fixed interpretation of word that in reality is defined otherwise?

My opinion is you and @Ian need to be more on top of the unfounded personal attacks on this message board. Unfairly labelling anyone a racist is highly egregious and should not be tolerated by the Mods.

I see it all the time... someone doesn't like another member or something they said and as opposed to rebuffing the comments they go straight after the member instead. Often times harshly and offensively. It's the worst part of the forum imo.

 

[Ross12]

It's kinda too late for this. Where were you when some asshat called me a racist because of their own fixed interpretation of word that in reality is defined otherwise?

My opinion is you and @Ian need to be more on top of the unfounded personal attacks on this message board. Unfairly labelling anyone a racist is highly egregious and should not be tolerated by the Mods.

I see it all the time... someone doesn't like another member or something they said and as opposed to rebuffing the comments they go straight after the member instead. Often times harshly and offensively. It's the worst part of the forum imo.

To be clear, a user simply implied this by writing "white hood" in strikethrough font and then replacing it with "aluminum foil cap". You responded to the post within 20 minutes with "FU", "douchebag", and "internet clown" and later went on to call another unrelated user a "total ****ing idiot" in this same thread. I'm not sure what actions you expected from the moderation team here.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yes, but that's not a criminal offense federally, its a large fine

 

[Ross12]

Locking the thread since people are ignoring the requests to stop the political fighting. I tried. Once we have an update we can open a new thread.

For reference, this thread is a good example of a case where the new tool @Ian is setting up would be applied.