Dreams of a WR Trade

[RayClay]

Going off-topic, only not to create another thread for a simple question:

When will Dobson be able to practice? Is there any schedule?

Howe says 2-3 months from early March (11). They really don't know about feet, seems to me, until they put some weight on it. If you'll recall, Edelman was sat down right before the season with a setback, then went on to have a record year.

Bottom line, it seems to me is, if they did the surgery correctly, it will heal, whereas if they rest it, it might come back often.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/patr...n_dobson_had_foot_surgery_today_will_take_2_3

 

[gtfanboy]

I suggest we perform some voodoo magic and get Andre Johnson up in NE...maybe send Mallet and a high draft pick (round 2/3) back to Houston...

 

[Brady6]

Does not take a cap expert to follow the link provided and read that the Seahawks have $9,517,698 in cap space

Yeah apparently I read it wrong, it was an error.

 

[Gymrat]

Elway won because of an undrafted free agent at receiver and a 6th round draft pick at running back.

It's possible you could have come up with a more ridiculous example for spending and high draft picks, but i don't think so.

Wasn't referring to spending there,just how a great qb can carry a bad team but needs some talent around him to win a championship.

 

[Gymrat]

That's a completely ridiculous analogy and demonstrates just how desperate you are to create any equivalence. Landry's Cowboy teams went 7-9, 7-9, and 3-13 his last 3 seasons whereas Belichick has been to the conference championship each of the last 3 years and Super Bowl. They have been the most successful team in football and have showed no signs at all of dropping off so trying to equate that to older coaches whose teams are failing is garbage.

Bills defense littered with his draft picks was the NFL's worst for several years. Without Brady where would the offense have been if left to his drafting. Moss was only a patriot due to interest to play with Tom Brady. If it was up to Bills draft picks on offense like price and Tate what would the offense had been for a couple year stretch there. Landry or Shula didn't have a great qb once they reached the point where the game evolved past their thinking. Marino was declined.

 

[Danger Zone]

Bills defense littered with his draft picks was the NFL's worst for several years. Without Brady where would the offense have been if left to his drafting. Moss was only a patriot due to interest to play with Tom Brady. If it was up to Bills draft picks on offense like price and Tate what would the offense had been for a couple year stretch there. Landry or Shula didn't have a great qb once they reached the point where the game evolved past their thinking. Marino was declined.

Teams rebuild.

Even first round picks have a 35% to 45% chance of being a bust.

Bust percentages just go up from there.

All teams average out in the Draft over time compared to all other teams.

All GMs average out in the Draft over time as well.

The Draft is a crapshoot at best and no team or GM can beat the Draft.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/

We very well could have an elite, top 5 Defense this year... and thats not homer talk, that's very real potential. How many teams have never even touched a top 5 Defense in the last 13 years unless they played against one?

We have had the most consistent winning team in the entire NFL during Bill's tenure. That means we have drafted consistently later than any other team.

Do you think Bill is at a disadvantage when he has to draft after 24 other teams on average, year after year after year?

I think he's done just fine.

 

[RayClay]

Wasn't referring to spending there,just how a great qb can carry a bad team but needs some talent around him to win a championship.

Oh, come on now. Who's zooming who?

His drafting for a good while was Horrid. Among the worst in the NFL if not the worst. He botched completely 2 consecutive drafts 06-07. In 05 he found a guard in the first which is nothing to brag about. Rest of draft was a mudslide. In 08 he found a LB in top 10. Rest of it was a wipeout again. In 09 found a very good RT. When your considered such a genius,more is expected. From 06-08 One Starter. Even when he began taking his scouts advise and drafting better he continued with head scratching decisions any average fan saw it a bust in the making. Jermaine Cunningham, Tavon Wilson.

Thats my point championships are not won by biasedly thinking your players are better than they really are. They are won by having the best team period. Elway couldn't win the big one then suddenly he had talent to help him out and won 2 to close out his career. Yeah bill was bullheaded enough to think gaffney/Caldwell were good enough til they dropped some passes on some plays and shut down on others while Indy's WRs made play after play.

Denver lucked out on two great players, an UDFA (Rod Smith) and a 6th round draft pick (Terrel Davis).

While you certainly did say Belichick was horrid at drafting and the thread was definitely about spending and drafting, the Patriots drafted two receivers and signed a free agent, while the Broncos got lucky getting two all time greats for nothing who happened to also be healthy Elway's big years.

What I'm saying is, things happen, especially injuries. When you make an argument, try to make it at least half way logical.

 

[DarrylS]

Considering that this team has 0 players acquired through trades one might have thought this thread would died by now... now it is degenerating into BB does not know how to draft.

We have entered a parallel universe... to have stayed near the top for 13 years is unprecedented in the salary cap era...

FYI how this team is currently constructed... inow 80% of this very competitive team was built through the draft.. something that BB does not know how to do.

Draft -- 37
Rookie/first-year free agency -- 35
Veteran free agency -- 13
Waivers -- 5
Trades -- 0

 

[goheels22002]

I suggest we perform some voodoo magic and get Andre Johnson up in NE...maybe send Mallet and a high draft pick (round 2/3) back to Houston...

Can't happen. Johnson's contract keeps him firmly planted in Houston unless they cut him and take on $12 million in dead money. This is why the Patriots don't sign these enormous long-term deals.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/andre-johnson/

 

[Miguel]

Can't happen. Johnson's contract keeps him firmly planted in Houston unless they cut him and take on $12 million in dead money. This is why the Patriots don't sign these enormous long-term deals.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/andre-johnson/

On June 2 Andre Johnson's dead money would be split over the 2014 and 2015 seasons. Therefore, trading him would create cap space for both of those seasons.

 

[Ivan]

Bills defense littered with his draft picks was the NFL's worst for several years. Without Brady where would the offense have been if left to his drafting. Moss was only a patriot due to interest to play with Tom Brady. If it was up to Bills draft picks on offense like price and Tate what would the offense had been for a couple year stretch there. Landry or Shula didn't have a great qb once they reached the point where the game evolved past their thinking. Marino was declined.

Once agin, what's your point? If it is that Belichick is a bad GM or that he should be fired then you are actually too stupid to talk football with.

 

[Ivan]

Bills defense littered with his draft picks was the NFL's worst for several years. Without Brady where would the offense have been if left to his drafting. Moss was only a patriot due to interest to play with Tom Brady. If it was up to Bills draft picks on offense like price and Tate what would the offense had been for a couple year stretch there. Landry or Shula didn't have a great qb once they reached the point where the game evolved past their thinking. Marino was declined.

Then how did they go 11-5 with a back-up QB. If he was actually a bad GM they would have gone 1-15 as the Colts did.

 

[Ivan]

Teams rebuild.

Even first round picks have a 35% to 45% chance of being a bust.

Bust percentages just go up from there.

All teams average out in the Draft over time compared to other teams.

All GMs average out in the Draft over time as well.

The Draft is a crapshoot at best and no team or GM can beat the Draft.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/

We very well could have an elite, top 5 Defense this year... and thats not homer talk, that's very real potential. How many teams have never even touched a top 5 Defense in the last 13 years unless they played against one?

We have had the most consistent winning team in the entire NFL during Bill's tenure. That means we have drafted consistently later than any other team.

Do you think Bill is at a disadvantage when he has to draft after 24 other teams on average, year after year after year?

I think he's done just fine.

Right on the money, and both long term studies of drafting in the NFL in this century concluded the Patriots were actually the best team in football in drafting, one of which had them tied with the Ravens.

 

[Ivan]

Bills defense littered with his draft picks was the NFL's worst for several years. Without Brady where would the offense have been if left to his drafting. Moss was only a patriot due to interest to play with Tom Brady. If it was up to Bills draft picks on offense like price and Tate what would the offense had been for a couple year stretch there. Landry or Shula didn't have a great qb once they reached the point where the game evolved past their thinking. Marino was declined.

let us know when you can explain how Belichick went 11-5 with a QB who hadn't played since high school.

 

[Brady6]

The Patriots draft well, they make mistakes, but overall they have been the most successful team drafting in the past decade.

http://q.usatoday.com/2014/05/07/nf...-49ers-tennessee-titans-new-england-patriots/

 

[Gymrat]

Bill a good schemer yes. Gm he has been good to horrid. He has a qb already so all his drafting was to building the roster. He has failed to find a reliable passrusher in like 9 drafts. I have hopes for Zach Moore. And I think if he adds some weight Collins could be really good. But it should have been taken care of long ago finding a passrusher. And let's not even talk bout a #1WR

 

[Snake Eyes]

let us know when you can explain how Belichick went 11-5 with a QB who hadn't played since high school.

As far as “not playing since high school’, Cassel is a very solid QB, Pioli hamstrung him in KC by giving him a new OC and system every year as, a shaky O-line, and a mediocre receiving corp. When he played here he had the right supporting cast around him and he performed very well.

 

[Ivan]

Wasn't referring to spending there,just how a great qb can carry a bad team but needs some talent around him to win a championship.

So it is because Belichick is a bad GM that they lost to the Giants in those Super Bowls? Two lucky catches and a no call cost the two Lombardi's, and had the ref's given them the first down Faulk got against Indy they most likely have three more rings, that's not on Belichick, alla GM can do is put his team in position to win, he can't win it for them, and no GM does that better than Belichick and his record to speaks to that. No GM has done better since he has been here, yet somehow there are actually people who want him gone. it doesn't get any dumber than that.

 

[Brady6]

Cassel has started 74 games in the NFL since that season, has made one pro bowl so the fact that he led a Patriots team coming off a 16-0 regular season to an 11-5 record is not shocking. Fans act as if Cassel came in went 11-5 for Belichick and then was out of the NFL the following year that was not the case, Cassel is a solid NFL QB, and he had Randy Moss, and Wes Welker catching the football. Cassel was 10-5 in 2010 with Todd Haley as his head coach, that does not make Todd Haley a great NFL coach.

 

[Ivan]

As far as “not playing since high school’, Cassel is a very solid QB, Pioli hamstrung him in KC by giving him a new OC and system every year as, a shaky O-line, and a mediocre receiving corp. When he played here he had the right supporting cast around him and he performed very well.

A decent QB doesn't make a weak team 11-5, and you have been saying that Brady was the reason they were good.