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His mistakes were probably a carryover of his being trained as a front office guy by BB at Cleveland.

It seems hard to be a consistently good drafter . . . unless you’re a Patsfans draftnik!:)

Look at Mayock’s sorry record with the Raiders.
 
Overall we've done pretty well the past 5 drafts:
2022: all 10 picks are still with the team, and 4 or 5 look like they'll be starters and/or contributors: Strange, Tyquan, M Jones, J Jones, and maybe Hines and Roberts.
2021: Mac, Barmore, Stevenson are starters and above-average talents. Bledsoe, Nixon and McGrone all have potential.
2020: Dugger and Onwenu are starters. Uche, Jennings, and Herron are contributors.
2019: Damien Harris and Mack Wilson (who we got for Wino) are starters, and Bailey is our punter. Cajuste and Joejuan are contributors. Obviously everyone would like a re-do of the N'Keal pick.
2018: Wynn and Bentley are starters, and Sony was a starter and still a very viable RB that we traded for picks.
 
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2. You dont draft weakest position in a solid Draft class. To double up is just typical BB forcing the zag
1. You don't put yourself in position that the weakest Draft position is your position of need.
3. Its cheap and relatively easy to get TE via FA or trade.

Pats mismanaged TE position ever since Martellus-Gronk ending.. and paid dearly last FA (which was a good thing on that market btw)

You really think Belichick selected two TEs in the 2020 draft to force the optics of making him look an outside-the-box thinker, zagging while others zig? You think that's what informed his decision to take two TEs? I think it's much more likely he took two TEs because they had no one at the position, and despite the lack of draft talent/depth, essentially had to in order to add bodies at that position.

The lack of planning prior to the draft is a fair criticism, to an extent, but Gronk hung the team out to dry with the timing of his retirement/unretirement.

I disagree it's cheap or easy to get good TEs via FA or trade. The good one are hard to find, and given the position's rise to prominence in offensive schemes recently, they're not going to be given up cheaply.
 
I LOLed when you mentioned Harry

Look at the wide receivers drafted AFTER Harry and compare their numbers to him

That year was historically a great class for wide receivers and Harry was by far the worst pick
And yet, this is evidence of what I'm talking about, cherry picking a "historically great" scenario to make conclusions about our drafting overall.

Everyone gets some players that overperform or underpeform their class.

We take Mac at #15, he's outperforming four QBs picked ahead of him, if there was a redraft he would be picked #1, but that's just "luck".

14 other teams pass on him, including truly QB-needy teams like CHI and NYJ, but it's us that "suck".

SF trades three first rounders to get pick #3, they pass on Mac, we trade nothing and get Mac at #15, but it's us that "suck" at drafting.

We take Harry at #32, he's performing along with expectations according to the non-cherry-picked numbers I posted yet underperforming his class, that one pick alone is proof we "suck" at drafting.

You look at the big picture and we don't "suck" at drafting just because there are some notable misses.

The problem is expectations are not in line with reality.

It's like concluding Big Papi sucked at baseball because he didn't always get a hit or Larry Bird sucked at basketball because every shot didn't go in.

We had "disastrous" drafts in '19 and '20, yet these are after we win the SB in '18 and win our conference in '19 so we're drafting at the end of each round, yet we're in the playoffs in '21: how does that happen if we "suck" at drafting?

People are just not looking at the big picture...

They're just butthurt because they don't look at the big picture, they get the drug-like rush on draft night, then came crashing down later when everything didn't turn out perfectly and someone else actually got some good players too.

Seems pretty childish and perhaps even masochistic to me.

Seems better to me to keep one's expectations in line with reality.

But, hey, there is that drug-like rush to be had...
 
His mistakes were probably a carryover of his being trained as a front office guy by BB at Cleveland.
What about his successes?

Or do we only look at mistakes when making conclusions on drafting?
 
I LOLed when you mentioned Harry

Look at the wide receivers drafted AFTER Harry and compare their numbers to him

That year was historically a great class for wide receivers and Harry was by far the worst pick
Everything looks different in retrospect.

The receipts are all here.

Go back to draft day and see that Harry was mocked to go where he went, there were a ton of good scouting reports on him, 95% of the board was thrilled with the pick.

This is the exact opposite of DK Metcalf here. People were calling him a combine wonder. Tons of scouting reports were doubting him.

Why you believe Metcalf -- given the greatest measurables anyone has ever seen for a WR [size, strength + speed] -- dropped all the way to the bottom of the 2nd round?

He was considered a lunk, stiff hips, couldn't move well, very questionable hands. Harry was the opposite. Although scouts said he gets little separation, they said he had outstanding hands, good speed, high points the ball. Etc. Harry was supposed to be like Devaunte Parker.

As for the 2nd round, AJ Brown, Deebo Samuel and DK Metcalf turned out great.

But you're also touting a bunch of guys who are either m'eh or bad, like Artega-Whiteside, Isabella, Paris Campbell, Hardman.

We missed on Deebo, AJ Brown and Metcalf.
 
Everything looks different in retrospect.

The receipts are all here.

Go back to draft day and see that Harry was mocked to go where he went, there were a ton of good scouting reports on him, 95% of the board was thrilled with the pick.

This is the exact opposite of DK Metcalf here. People were calling him a combine wonder. Tons of scouting reports were doubting him.

Why you believe Metcalf -- given the greatest measurables anyone has ever seen for a WR [size, strength + speed] -- dropped all the way to the bottom of the 2nd round?

He was considered a lunk, stiff hips, couldn't move well, very questionable hands. Harry was the opposite. Although scouts said he gets little separation, they said he had outstanding hands, good speed, high points the ball. Etc. Harry was supposed to be like Devaunte Parker.

As for the 2nd round, AJ Brown, Deebo Samuel and DK Metcalf turned out great.

But you're also touting a bunch of guys who are either m'eh or bad, like Artega-Whiteside, Isabella, Paris Campbell, Hardman.

We missed on Deebo, AJ Brown and Metcalf.

You forgot Terry McLaurin and Diontae Johnson …


You are way off with your pre draft theories and scouting remarks on all these men


Harry had major red flags and most experts did not have him marked as a first round talent.

The scouting reports regarding Harry were spot on.

"Team sources call Harry not real twitchy or explosive. They worry about how he is not fast in and out of breaks and don't see suddenness. Some sources said that Harry reminded them of Ole Miss wideout Laquon Treadwell, who is currently headed toward bust status for the Vikings. Some other sources say they are grading Harry on the second day of the 2019 NFL Draft. One team source said they originally planned on grading Harry in Round 2, but were lowering him to the third round."


In comparison read Deebo Samuels scouting report


"As a receiver, Samuel is impressive. His speed and play-making skills with the ball in his hands eclipse that he is a really talented wideout. He runs good routes and consistently uses his speed to achieve separation. Samuel is very dangerous on quick slants and running go routes down the sideline. Samuel is very adept at tracking the ball in the air and plays it well. He high points the ball and times his hands nicely to make catches over defensive backs. Samuel has soft hands and catches the ball with his hands naturally. He is also an aggressive receiver who isn't afraid of contact.

What really sets Samuel apart is how dangerous he is with the ball in his hands. He has excellent vision to weave around defenders and can use his speed to rip off yards in chunks. He has quick feet along with the cutting ability to stop-start or stutter step, and a strong frame to run through arm tackles. When the ball hits Samuel on the run, he is a big problem for defenders because he is tough to grab in the open field with his shifty moves. Samuel has enough speed to run away from defenders and take a catch the distance. Samuel is superb on screens and jet sweeps to race through the defense.

Samuel looks very versatile for the NFL. He could line up as an outside receiver and play the X - split end - to challenge teams vertically. Samuel also is dangerous out of the slot and could be a tough receiver to defend on underneath routes. With his size and speed, Samuel also could take some carries out of the backfield. On top of his offensive skills, Samuel is a dynamic returner who should contribute on special teams. In the 2019 NFL Draft, Samuel has a slim chance of being picked in the back half of the first round and probably will not get out of the second round if he makes it to Friday night."


Also AJ Browns scouting report


“Slot bully with rare combination of brawn and quickness that allows him to separate with both power and foot quickness. Brown has the size and demeanor to take on a relatively heavy workload as a safety blanket for a young quarterback in a ball-control passing attack. He'll see an upgrade in athlete across from him, but he has the feet and body control to uncover and create windows as a premium route-runner.”




DK Metcalf's scouting report
"The things that really set Metcalf apart are mismatch size and speed. He has excellent height and strength to be a size problem on the perimeter. That size makes him tough to tackle and a threat to make any reception as he can win 50-50 passes over defensive backs. He is a red zone-weapon who could be a point producer as a pro.

Metcalf also has freakish straight-line speed, and that was illustrated at the NFL Scouting Combine when he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.33 seconds. Off the line of scrimmage, Metcalf is very fast at running straight go routes down the field, and he can burn defensive backs by just running by them. He is a threat to score on any reception as once he has the ball in his hands because he can run away from the defense. Metcalf tracks the ball very well, using late hands to make receptions. He shows nice concentration and ability to make one-handed catches."
 
Overall we've done pretty well the past 5 drafts:
2022: all 10 picks are still with the team, and 4 or 5 look like they'll be starters and/or contributors: Strange, Tyquan, M Jones, J Jones, and maybe Hines and Roberts.
2021: Mac, Barmore, Stevenson are starters and above-average talents. Bledsoe, Nixon and McGrone all have potential.
2020: Dugger and Onwenu are starters. Uche, Jennings, and Herron are contributors.
2019: Damien Harris and Mack Wilson (who we got for Wino) are starters, and Bailey is our punter. Cajuste and Joejuan are contributors. Obviously everyone would like a re-do of the N'Keal pick.
2018: Wynn and Bentley are starters, and Sony was a starter and still a very viable RB that we traded for picks.

Wrong.
 
You forgot Terry McLaurin and Diontae Johnson …


You are way off with your pre draft theories and scouting remarks on all these men


Harry had major red flags and most experts did not have him marked as a first round talent.

The scouting reports regarding Harry were spot on.

"Team sources call Harry not real twitchy or explosive. They worry about how he is not fast in and out of breaks and don't see suddenness. Some sources said that Harry reminded them of Ole Miss wideout Laquon Treadwell, who is currently headed toward bust status for the Vikings. Some other sources say they are grading Harry on the second day of the 2019 NFL Draft. One team source said they originally planned on grading Harry in Round 2, but were lowering him to the third round."


In comparison read Deebo Samuels scouting report


"As a receiver, Samuel is impressive. His speed and play-making skills with the ball in his hands eclipse that he is a really talented wideout. He runs good routes and consistently uses his speed to achieve separation. Samuel is very dangerous on quick slants and running go routes down the sideline. Samuel is very adept at tracking the ball in the air and plays it well. He high points the ball and times his hands nicely to make catches over defensive backs. Samuel has soft hands and catches the ball with his hands naturally. He is also an aggressive receiver who isn't afraid of contact.

What really sets Samuel apart is how dangerous he is with the ball in his hands. He has excellent vision to weave around defenders and can use his speed to rip off yards in chunks. He has quick feet along with the cutting ability to stop-start or stutter step, and a strong frame to run through arm tackles. When the ball hits Samuel on the run, he is a big problem for defenders because he is tough to grab in the open field with his shifty moves. Samuel has enough speed to run away from defenders and take a catch the distance. Samuel is superb on screens and jet sweeps to race through the defense.

Samuel looks very versatile for the NFL. He could line up as an outside receiver and play the X - split end - to challenge teams vertically. Samuel also is dangerous out of the slot and could be a tough receiver to defend on underneath routes. With his size and speed, Samuel also could take some carries out of the backfield. On top of his offensive skills, Samuel is a dynamic returner who should contribute on special teams. In the 2019 NFL Draft, Samuel has a slim chance of being picked in the back half of the first round and probably will not get out of the second round if he makes it to Friday night."


Also AJ Browns scouting report


“Slot bully with rare combination of brawn and quickness that allows him to separate with both power and foot quickness. Brown has the size and demeanor to take on a relatively heavy workload as a safety blanket for a young quarterback in a ball-control passing attack. He'll see an upgrade in athlete across from him, but he has the feet and body control to uncover and create windows as a premium route-runner.”




DK Metcalf's scouting report
"The things that really set Metcalf apart are mismatch size and speed. He has excellent height and strength to be a size problem on the perimeter. That size makes him tough to tackle and a threat to make any reception as he can win 50-50 passes over defensive backs. He is a red zone-weapon who could be a point producer as a pro.

Metcalf also has freakish straight-line speed, and that was illustrated at the NFL Scouting Combine when he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.33 seconds. Off the line of scrimmage, Metcalf is very fast at running straight go routes down the field, and he can burn defensive backs by just running by them. He is a threat to score on any reception as once he has the ball in his hands because he can run away from the defense. Metcalf tracks the ball very well, using late hands to make receptions. He shows nice concentration and ability to make one-handed catches."

This isn't even a mystery.

The posts are here.

You can go back to the day of the draft and read.

Harry was mocked as a late first rounder. Everyone here celebrated.

The scouts were 95% positive.

Why in the word do you think Metcalf dropped all the way to the bottom of the 2nd round despite being an athletic freak?

We read all the negative reports BEFORE the draft.

You act like this is a mystery. It's not. The receipts are here.

You are way way off.
 
This isn't even a mystery.

The posts are here.

You can go back to the day of the draft and read.

Harry was mocked as a late first rounder. Everyone here celebrated.

The scouts were 95% positive.

Why in the word do you think Metcalf dropped all the way to the bottom of the 2nd round despite being an athletic freak?

We read all the negative reports BEFORE the draft.

You act like this is a mystery. It's not. The receipts are here.

You are way way off.
Nope. Not off at all. Stop making excuses for that disastrous of a draft pick and an even worse draft pick in round 2
 
In my wildest dreams there's a thread that's dedicated entirely to cataloging your player nicknames :rofl:
yeah!! Like it!! let's see..there's Murk Surcharge...and Choad Shatteredton...."Lonely walks down by the pond" Goatston...Browneye Bagel....."Babyhands" Sherbet...Goontoon...Whinny Testeshurty...Brayette Farver...Richard Tard...Bloomer WhyIsaymyson...Glenn Fooly...Dyam Sam Darnit...the list is almost endless...
 
Nope. Not off at all. Stop making excuses for that disastrous of a draft pick and an even worse draft pick in round 2
You know what's laughable about this post?

The receipts:

This is why Metcalf dropped: NFL Director of Player Personnel, "You try to evaluate not only immediate ability but future success. Metcalf had one of the worst three-cone times in NFL combine history. Yes, he's a freak in terms of straight-line ability, but teams were right to have concerns."

NFL scout: "With a frame that big, you really worry about flexibility, and that shows up in his route tree. There aren't many breaking routes, and his hips don't naturally sink. He can't bend."

"Metcalf could be the star or the bust of the 2019 draft class. His athletic traits are otherworldly, but his lack of production and experience is alarming. Throw in a couple of injuries that kept him off the field, and it's easy to envision that teams will be cautious even with his jaw-dropping speed and strength."

Again, it doesn't matter if you believe it or not, but he dropped to the bottom of the 2nd round. The above is the reason why. These scouts from other teams had Harry ahead of him. In fact, Harry was mocked into the first round.

No matter what you say, the evaluations are out there and easy to find.

Lombardi: You're an idiot to draft Metcalf over Harry: Michael Lombardi: 'You're an idiot' to draft D.K. Metcalf over N'Keal Harry

Best pick: Why Patriots’ N’Keal Harry is *my* favorite wide receiver in this draft

Best WR at intermediate level:

Bulletproof, won't bust:

95% of the board was psyched. The consensus of draft gurus was that he wasn't getting by the Cardinals at #33.
 
same guys going to town about the harry pick, making the same old, tired argument about BBs drafting, all the while completely overlooking all the talent that has been added thru the draft and free agency?

good grief... everyone knows it was a bad pick and harrys gone now... so either get a new argument or stay in the Brady Tampa Bay forum... its tiresome to read over and over and over
 
The Defenders of the Faith (of IBIT) seem to have conveniently forgotten just who exactly was still available by the time #32 rolled around...

Can you say: disingenuous, kids? Sure ya can...
 


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