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  1. FlyinElvisOnTheButtocks

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    Dear Bill Belichek

    I am writing to you as a concerned Patriots fan. I have a few issues with the path we have taken this year and i would like to discuss them with you.

    1 The 3-4 system is best when the bulk of your talent in your front seven is at linebacker. THIS IS NOT THE CASE ANYMORE WITH THE PATRIOTS.
    Willie Mac =gone
    Ted J=gone
    Tedy B= starting to look old ( i still love him but facts are facts)
    Junior Say Ow :) =gone

    The talent in our front seven is in the Defensive line. You have won 3 Rings by being adaptable. I know you love the 3-4 but we dont have the personel to run it very well. Please consider swiching to a 4-3. You have a great football mind, you can find ways to disguise coverage in a 4-3 scheme. I think Seymour Wilfork Warren and Green on the field at the same time would be a nightmare for opposing offenses. Plus 3-4 personel are hard to find in the college ranks and more teams in the NFL who will be drafting before us run this same system.

    2 The two gap system is great at stopping the run (if the players are disciplined) however it makes it very difficult to rush the passer. The league has recently evolved to a pass crazy legue with the no contact (patriots rule) . You might want to rethink that 2 gap philosophy and allow defenders to attack a single gap instead of having to overpower the opposing offensive linemen to get any pressure. We need more pass rush badly. This would help Asante and Ellis more than anything else.

    3 You won 3 rings while having the best coaching staff in the legue. we essentially had 3 head coaches. I dont think either of your current coordinators will get any consideration for head coaching jobs this year. This should tell you something about them.
    Were they the best guys available this year.?

    4 Have you and Scott Pioli taken into account that the salary cap has risen significantly. Therefore the value of a any given player must also rise since you are slicing up a bigger pie 53 ways. I keep waiting for other teams to have to let go key players but we seem to be only team that faces this. There will not be any good FA this year. Any player that is any good will get PAID so dont think you willl be able to pick up scraps from someone elses table. Those day are done for a while. You should work really hard to keep your own FA because i dont think you will be getting anybody from other teams.

    5 Please forward this to Tom Brady : dink and dunk , remember that, you seem to be believing the hype that you are the 'golden armed boy'. You are starting to look like Drew Bledsoe sitting in the pocket waiting for a reciever to come open way down the field and taking sacks. Get rid of the ball quickly and accurately and hope for some RAC. Please adjust that post route where you send Ben Watson down the middle and there are two safeties waiting to crack his spine. You are going to get the guy killed. Have him sit down int the void between the LBs and the safeties. I have seen it several times this year with bad results, ball tipped in the air or dropped, fumbles and most recently injury.

    6 Three words screen screen screen. we seem to have only recently remembered this play.

    7. This seems like the third of fourth year we have half the team is out due to injury. I have to believe that this cant be just bad luck. We are doing something different than other teams in the NFL. Maybe Strength and conditioning? too much? too little? Look into this.

    8 Tell Tully that the spin move is not working. Tell Tedy B that his attempts to flip over blocking RBs when he is blitzing is counter productive. One day he is going to connect with the opposing QB in the knees and get a huge penalty. Tell Ellis to shut up/just play and turn around and look for the ball when the reciever does.

    9 Does Marquise Hill have naked pics of you or something? I cant see why this guy continues to take up a roster spot. Has he ever stepped on the field.

    10 Take all the plays with Corey Dillion running to the outside and throw them away. Corey is not going to outrun anybody to the outside. Corey you have 3 options. A:find hole inside B:make a hole inside or C:push a pile.

    11.Finally , next years draft. L I N E B A C K E R
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No more junkyard dogs
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    If you really want BB to read this you may want to spell his LAST name correctly - Thats B-E-L-I-C-H-I-C-K :D
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    I do like some of the ideas here but this was a brave post. You're going to have issues with many of the "only kool aid" drinking posters here. :D
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    This defense is currently the #2 scoring defense in the league, allowing 13.8 ppg. Only the Ravens are allowing fewer points, at 13.4ppg. New England is a full point better than the #3 team, the Chicago Bears, who are allowing 14.9ppg. I'd say that the 3-4 is working quite well.


    See comment above from point #1


    Again, the defense is #2 in scoring, so I'm not exactly sure why you're lumping the two coordinators together. As for the O.C., while it's a topic that some here love to pummel, the fact is that he's new to the job, has had to deal with having no set receiving corps and a slew of injuries, yet the team is in the upper half of the league in offense. Teams may not beat down his door for a head coaching position this year, but you are apparently forgetting just how many years it took for Crennel and Weis to get the call, particularly Crennel.


    You must have missed how the salary cap was handled by this team. It has signed players to contracts and still had enough money to re-sign Branch if he'd been willing to bargain, and to sign Law if he hadn't chosen Kansas City.


    Watson's job is to go in the middle and take the hits. He needs to protect the ball better. That's not on Brady. The middle of the field is rough, and that's why you send your tight ends there instead of your 170lb receivers.

    And the "Bledsoe" argument is ridiculous. Brady has only been sacked 24 times in 14 games.
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    To take up where DI left off - Albert Breer writes in his tale of the tape that the screen was used often Sunday and didn't work very well after the first couple times. Anecdotally, I remember screens getting blown up by Houston, perhaps using it too often isn't the answer.

    Yes, the Pats have had a lot of injuries, then again, they play a fairly competitive schedule, are recognized as the league's elite organization with the best won/loss record for the past six years. Isn't it odd that defending Champion Pittsburgh is a battered mess? How about defending AFC North Champion Cincinnati and their injuries? The Colts finally wound up with a big time injury list this season. Seattle, didn't they play in Detroit last February and aren't they suffering an injury bug? A Denver fan was just here yesterday complaining about their injuries. Welcome to the real world where lesser teams want to bring their "A" game and challenge the Three-Time World Champion New England Patriots and the other teams considered elite, just how is pre-season pundit favorite Carolina doing?

    Well, I'm glad to meet someone who knows more about the game than the professionals involved in it. Odd that TBC who hasn't started all that long is #3 in sacks, tied with Jarvis Green at 5.5 behind Colvin and Warren - spin moves must be doing something. Bruschi = Full Tilt Full Time, live with it. Ellis is getting praised by BB for working hard and playing through adversity, good thing you're a 30+ year NFL coaching veteran and can advise him on how to develop defensive players.

    He played the 4th quarter against Houston at RDE, it's there on the tape, guess BB doesn't mind a little blackmail.

    He gained 5 yards on a poorly blocked play by beating all those speedy LB and DB fellows from Houston to the corner and turning it up field. I would agree that he isn't a rocket anymore, but he's not dead if he does need to bounce it outside.

    An enjoyable if badly misguided read.
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    Speaking of kool-aid, did you see the teamwork between Deus Irae and Box in posts 4 and 5? That's the kind of unselfish, do-whatever-it-takes attitude we look for here on a Pats messageboard. We get here early, leave late, and if someone goes down in mid-post, someone else steps up to take their place.
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    You might want to get some body armor...there are too many fans that think that everything is all right...get ready to duck...
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    As most teams are going to 3-4 we are going to move to 4-3 so we can face the problems which are making them do this.:rocker: awesome.

    Do you realize that we are the top 4 in 32 teams which means we have the personal and with execution will win it all ?
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    I'm sure this is exactly the kind of thing Bill needs to turn the team around. He's been asking for fan advice, after all, who knows the game better than the coaches: the fans.
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    "7. This seems like the third of fourth year we have half the team is out due to injury. I have to believe that this cant be just bad luck. We are doing something different than other teams in the NFL. Maybe Strength and conditioning? too much? too little? Look into this."

    Now lets see Junior Seau broken arm, Rodney Harrison broken clavicle, Ken Walter reportedly a broken bone in his foot are not conditioning related injuries. Three of the others Terbucky Jones, Don Davis and Barry Gardner have 9,11 and 8 years respectively in this league, they are older, more beat up and take longer to heal. I suspect the Garrett Mills, Matt Shelton and Gemmara Williams are being "red shirted" and on the list for that reason. I do not have the energy to research the other 6 folks on the list.

    Heard before, and most recently Josh Miller who credits Mike Woicik with extending his career 5 years because of the methods and techniques he uses. Do you think that if this was a possibility BB would have ignored this issue?? I think not, stuff happens in this NFL and much of it is coincidental.
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    LMAO, I'm sure Bill will take your explanations of how best to play defense to heart. Now I've seen it all.
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    All these defense suggestions, you do realize we have the #2 scoring defense in the league right ? It's not Kool Aid, it's just not being a stupid moron. If someone doesn't like McDaniels that's one thing but to tell Belichick his concept of a 3-4 is bad is just hysterical.
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    Welcome to the board.

    You have Flying Elvis ON you Buttocks. But it looks like your head is way UP your bottocks.:rofl:
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    while some of these points have been thought of and discussed, its sure not the way to present them if you want people to reason to you. as for your defensive arguments though, they are just dumb.
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    It's more of #7 and #9 that strike me as interesting. The injury bug has for years been more of a problem for the pats then other teams. Is there a relationship? I don't really know, but what I do know is it seems like we lose so many players each season, I'm beginning to wonder if there is a relationship with strength and conditioning exercises the team employs versus injuries. On Marquise Hill, I haven't seen him out on the field enough and don't really hear his name called out when he does play that I'm intrigued by what potential BB sees in him. I'm sure there is or he would have been outta here a long time ago. I just want to know what potential he may possess as a football player. We all know he is gifted in terms of size and speed, two factors that you are born with and that you can't coach, but when is he going to bloom and realize that potential?

    I guess the comment I made on the Kool Aid part was more on how opinions are at times so stifled in this board. As soon as someone says something that even slightly questions BB, the automatic answer by so many on this board is almost always something like "why should i listen to you, BB has over 30 years of coaching experience".

    I believe this site was created as a discussion board for people with differing opinions but the same love for the Pats. We all want to find out more about the team. Just because there are times when people may want to probe further on the team and its strategy and perhaps even question certain things, doesn't mean that others should shut down that kind of discussion so often. No one is perfect in this world, I'm sure we can all acknowledge that. Why then do so many people here treat him as infallible? For most fans here, questioning a tactic or strategy of BB does not equate to them wanting another coach. Most all of us revere him as someone who has helped change the fortunes and image of the New England Patriots from losers to perennial contenders. Just because we think that however shouldn't make us all so beholden to the point where we can never question any of his decisions.
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    The injury thing, I think, it just bogus. Most of the injuries are non preventable. Torn ACLs. Broken bones. Sure there's the occasional Chad Jackson who has a variety of lesser issues but I'm not sure those are more than average.

    Marquise Hill, he's probably running out of time. But you know Belichick is hesitant to let go of a big man with talent. Remember Hill was young when he was drafted plus he had (presumably has) bi-polar which possibly could make his development a little slower (maybe they have to be a little more careful with him mentally, I don't know). But if our biggest problem is Marquis Hill taking up a roster spot we're OK.

    But the lunacy of trying to tell Belichick that his 2 gap philosophy doesn't work anymore (especially while we're #2 in scoring defense in the league) just makes me shake my head.
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    I welcome you to this board with a 1-star rating on that post.
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    Our defense under BB has always been, and will always be, a combination 3-4/4-3.

    Our defense has been REALLY good this season.

    The only way we change, or even should, is if the numbers become so bad that it forces us to.

    Why are we worried about the D??????
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    Many of us think that this is a misguided post without ALSO thinking that "everything is all right."
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    I'd fall solidly in that category.
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    I dont think anyone thinks everything is perfect. I think many of us think the good far outweighs the bad, and when we sit here on 12/20/06 we are in the mix, we are good enough to win a SB, and we trust that the players and coaches who have won 3 of them give us an edge once the tournament starts.
    Of course we have flaws but so does every other team. Some choose to pick isolated examples, and conclude they are proof of ultimate failure. Some choose to find the good, and ignore the bad.

    Personally, I can discuss and accept any negative, but only in context with the positives.
    My tendancy is to focus on the positive rather than the negative NOW for one simple reason: BILL BELICHICK.
    I have the ultimate confidence in Belichick. I think he is far and away the best coach in the NFL, and has the best plan and system. I EXPECT things to work out better 2,3,6,8... weeks down the road than they look today with this team, because BB has earned that expectation.
    When Pete Carroll, or Dick McPherson, etc, etc were here I did not have that expectation. If I were a Colt, Charger, Bengal, etc fan, I wouldnt have that expectation, because there is no strong reason to believe so. With BB there is proof, so I continue to look at everythign optimisitcally.
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    The defense has held up remarkably well, considering the injuries that it has had. Just remember: both starting safeties are gone, plus one nickel/starting corner (Randall Gay) and a starting inside linebacker. Then there are innumerable back-ups/special teamers/short-term injuries that have made things difficult. I can't believe that Hobbs, for instance, isn't really hampered by the cast on his hand. The level of performance we have had from Hawkins, Sanders, Scott is a very pleasant surprise.

    Things aren't perfect. I'm not overwhelmed by Seymour's play this season, I wish that the linebackers were as dynamic as Miami or San Diego's, and it's really noticeable how much the run-stopping has diminished since Junior Seau went on IR. I worry how the team will match up against the Colts' offense or San Diego's. But, on defense at least, the good very much outweighs the bad, in my opinion.

    Anyway, players play, coaches coach and fans (if they're sensible) enjoy the ride.
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    A. The defensive results have, with few exceptions, been somewhere on a spectrum between "That's about what should have happened with those personnel" to "Wow! How did they ever manage that with those personnel?" I think Pees' body of work is very solid.

    B. They carried three guys on the roster to begin the season at DL who didn't play. Two have been there all year. I think they're aware that their young depth is suspect. But thanks for reminding them anyway.

    C. Punctuation is your friend. It is traditional to end questions with question marks.

    D. I'm sure they've knocked themselves out considering the injury plague. I hope they haven't overlooked anything. I admit to not being wholly confident in that.

    E. The team has lost 3 of its top DBs and a 4th has played hurt all year. The secondary represents a phenomenal job of personnel acquisition and coaching.

    F. In the defensive front seven, everybody except Bruschi and Seau was acquired by the current regime while he was still young. The same goes for the rest of the team with very few exceptions (mainly Brown, Dillon, and punters among the starters and front-line players).

    G. There are only four teams in the league with better records than the Pats, and the Pats have beaten and are probably better than one of them. The Pats are also probably better than all the teams with poorer records, including three that (ouch) they've lost to. Of the three teams that really seem better, one has a famously unsuccessful post-season coach, one has a disastrous run defense, and one has a highly fragile QB.

    I don't know wtf is going on with WRs or with the OL's inconsistency any more than the rest of you do, but I do think the general theme of the OP was way off base.
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    3)
    BB said before the season began that he wanted to keep the system that he had. He didn't want to bring in a new guy and have 25 guys have to learn a new system when they are/were successful with the system that they have.

    You have been listening to NEM too much, and its rotting your brain.

    NEM, a Friend, hasn't and doesn't, like ANY OC. He despises anyone who doesn't have 100% success with every play. If a play fails for whatever reason, it the OC's fault for calling the play, irrespective of whether the players executed it well or not, or the Defense made a great play. JM, a nine year NFL coach, has the Offense in the top dozen of the league, quite frankly with mirrors, while playing with a lot of very young &/or very new players to the Offense. Getting this far with what he has, ought to warn the league what's in store for them, with another year of maturity on Offense.

    6)
    The Pats have used the screen. Its just not as effective as it was when they could pass a team silly. Did you know they ran five (5!) screens against Miami for example? The longest gain was 4 yards! A couple were facing big losses, when the receiver purposely dropped the ball to make it an incompletion, rather than a completion and a loss of 4 or 5 yards. Screens ONLY work when you are a passing team, not when the Defense is run blitzing. It ONLY works when you can fool the defense. if you can't fool them it results in an easy loss,as a screen is a simple play to defense if you are looking for it.

    8)
    TBC is doing fine for his first year of starting. He has sacks and QB pressures and his run defense has actually been pretty good. I still want to see more of his pass defense, but he has NOT STUNK at the toughest part of converting from DE to OLB, and has turned in some fine coverage plays.

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    Why doesn't anyone give Dillon any credit? You've been listening to Tom Casale and the PFW people too much. They are way too black and white. They hav eonly two categoreis All_pro or he sux. Dillon is a franchise talented back on the downside of his career, who has become short yardage and TD terror. He has runs of 50, and a pair of 25 yarders this season so he can still make the big play, occasionally. The Patriots are facing run blitzing; and they apparently don't have the simple cure for that problem.

    Its called a lead blocking Fullback.

    Evans is much better as a blocker than he was. Pass is on IR. But Heath was terrible at it, when he arrived; as a matter of fact that was why he got cut by a team that invested a #3 pick on him. In college he carried the ball, and never blocked. He has the determination to learn, and the Coaches are teaching him but, they haven't put him in front of Dillon, as needed.

    Against Houston, Dillon gained 85 yards and lost twenty or more, and ended up with 60 or so, when tackled in the backfield by a gambling run blitzer. Remove the losses and drives continue and Dillon carries for several more carries and ends up over a hundred yards. If Dillon gets started and gets to the line he is good for 4-10 yards.

    The Rx is a lead Fullback, and the Pats apparently don't have one. A lead fullback would put a guy at the point of attack and allow Dillon to cut off of him as he gets to the hole. Dillon wouldn't have to cut it outside after a gambling safety shows up in the hole he planned to use. Dillon as he is is just like Bettis and good for another couple of years when used correctly.

    BTW... LM needs a lead fullback too; he dances when the hole is closed and doesn't get anywhere.
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    I don't know if it is brave to post a rant of things that are really not correct. I also think it is unfair to bash the "Kool-Aide drinkers" and call the original poster brave for acting like this team is a total wreck when they are at 10-4.

    First, why should the Pats scrap the 3-4? We are second in the league in points allowed. Let me say that again. We are second in the league in points allowed. Why in the world would we scrap a defense that has given up less points so far this year than 30 of the 31 other defenses? Why not cut Brady while we are at it? And don't say it has gotten worse since Seau went down because he went down a month ago already and we are still second.

    Second, why would we want to abandon the two-gap? We are eighth in the league in sacks and only three sacks behind the fourth team in the sack category. If we aren't doing a good job getting pressure on the QB than virtually no team in the NFL is getting pressure on the QB and there should be about 24 other teams that should scrap their defense.

    Third, the Pats have used the screen pass in virtually every game this season with varying results. Contrary to many people's opinion, the screen pass does not work all the time vs. every defense. Maybe there are times where we might have been suited to use it more, but overall we do make an effort to use it.

    Fourth, Brady will do whatever is neccessary to win. He does at times try to carry the team on his shoulders, but he isn't afraid to throw high percentage but not big gain type of plays like he did against the Texans.

    Fifth, I feel the Pats did misjudge the market because of the new cap, but I doubt this will be an ongoing thing.

    Sixth, I don't know how you can criticize TBC's moves after have a great game this weekend. I haven't watched him specifically on a lot of plays, but he did get two sacks this weekend.

    I don't think everything is well with the Pats. I just don't think it is as dismal as some people like to make it. We are still a good team. Some people feel that if we aren't the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl every year that we are some kind of 6-10 team. We just can't win the Super Bowl every year.
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